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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
1. How does voluntary reporting of income work
Mon May 4, 2020, 06:23 AM
May 2020

...or thousands of other things based on people telling the truth?

The reason they work is that most people actually aren't dicks.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
3. Indeed. And if they are found out to be dicks, they can get into a bunch of trouble
Mon May 4, 2020, 06:40 AM
May 2020

They are found out soon enough.

For contact tracing, if their "contacts" don't play out, then they might get an interview with a police officer or police detective and told of the consequences. If they persist then they can get put up on charges of "filing a false report" or "lying to a police officer", etc.

But jberryhill would know more about such details than I do and they vary somewhat depending on jurisdiction.

In practice, most people get serious when they realize the authorities are serious about tracing. But these days some jurisdictions are not serious about tracing. Is Florida serious? Is Georgia serious?

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
2. Note to concerned folk: That's a famous number from a song by Tommy Tutone, not an ad
Mon May 4, 2020, 06:32 AM
May 2020



Note: I see a blank, but I presume the video is there.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
4. Instantly hated by anyone with that phone number
Mon May 4, 2020, 06:54 AM
May 2020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/867-5309/Jenny

The song, released in late 1981, initially gained popularity on the American West Coast in January 1982; many who had the number soon abandoned it because of unwanted calls.

canetoad

(17,160 posts)
5. The app being distributed in Australia
Mon May 4, 2020, 07:00 AM
May 2020

Does not electronically go through your contact list, instead relying on a bluetooth signal to and from other phones.


Released on Sunday, COVIDSafe uses Bluetooth to connect with other phones within 1.5 metres (4.9 feet) which also have the app installed. If they are in contact for over 15 minutes, the app records data such as the date, time, contact distance and duration, and the other user's encrypted identification code. This information is stored on the user's phone for 21 days, after which it is automatically deleted.

Therefore, if someone using COVIDSafe is diagnosed with COVID-19, health officials can use the patient's app data to quickly notify people they've been in contact with. The hope is that this will help contain outbreaks and slow the spread of the coronavirus.

https://mashable.com/article/covidsafe-australia-government-coronavirus-tracking-app-privacy-security/

getagrip_already

(14,750 posts)
6. It isn't supposed to work in all cases - just most...
Mon May 4, 2020, 07:28 AM
May 2020

Look, doctors and scientists aren't idiots. Though some are forced to say things by idiots, or they become idiots by pursuing political agendas in public office or the media. But the ones who set up these programs are pretty well grounded.

They know that people who are closeted won't reveal their real contacts. If a married man had sex with a man and got a disease that gets tracked, they will say it was a woman they don't know. Trace ends.

It's built into how the system works. Most people who are traced for CV will be pretty honest. Some with hidden lifestyles won't reveal those details, but at least the ones they do can be contacted to see if they have any symptoms and be advised to isolate.

They do what they can. But as long as their is a stigma associated with alternative lifestyles, people will hide them at all cost. It's human nature.

Igel

(35,309 posts)
8. There's contact tracing and there's contact tracing.
Mon May 4, 2020, 11:09 AM
May 2020

It's like "soda." There's bicarbonate of soda, baking soda, caustic soda, and diet soda.

S. Korea had contact tracing. They'd ask you who you were around. If you lied, you had criminal charges filed. To be tested for COVID, you first had to download an app that would monitor you going forward. They looked at phone records from before. They published the names of those infected and the names of likely contacts that they couldn't locate quickly.

Taiwan had contact tracing. Same business with phones and charges. And phone records. Who, where, when. But they also accessed your medical records for symptoms to see if maybe you needed testing. They'd contact those at your home address. Neighbors. They'd access tax records to see where you worked, assume you had been to work and test there, too.

Privacy? When somebody's life might be in danger, somebody's quibbling over privacy instead of social obligations?

It works better in places with a sense of civic duty. In the US, it'll be harder.

Many who insist that protesters have no right to assembly because of public safety issues--their rights kill people!--will suddenly find a much more substantial right to privacy in spite of public safety issues. And trouble'll be a-brewing if you say "your rights kill people!"

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