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RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 08:53 PM Sep 2012

"Yes, We Can Make iPhones in America"

More at: http://www.forbes.com/sites/baizhuchen/2012/09/07/yes-we-canmake-iphones-in-america/


In my previous post, The Real Reason the U.S. Doesn’t Make iPhones: We Wouldn’t Want To, I argued that the current cost structure does not make any sense to assemble iPhones in America. I argued that we would be better off focusing on designing iPhones but letting the Chinese handle the assembly. The article has generated quite a few responses and heated debates. After some periods of soul searching, I have come to realize that I need to revise my original conclusion. So, I say yes, we can make iPhones in America.


We can make iPhones in America, but not under today’s cost structure and technology. Lining up thousands of American workers in the 20th century style assembly line, doing repetitive work day in and day out, is not going to win manufacturing jobs back to America from developing nations. Making iPhones in America would require some great American creativity and productivity. This will become increasingly possible given the emerging new technology, especially the additive manufacturing which uses 3D printers turning layers of materials into solid objects.


3D printing technology is not new. It has long been used by combining other processes to manufacture circuit boards for electronics. The technology is now improving rapidly to be able to print a wide variety of objects, from simple tools and toys, to more complicated products such as airplane dashboards, replacement jawbones, bicycles, etc. Every year, millions of hearing aids are printed out in the U.S. The world’s first printed car rolled out of a printing press in 2011. Recently, an engineering professor, Behrokh Khoshnevis, at the University of Southern California (where I work), showcased a process he designed to build a house with a giant 3D printer. It was estimated that a house of 2500 square feet, with a full wiring and plumbing system, would be printed out, within 20 hours with fewer costs than traditional construction method.


More at: http://www.forbes.com/sites/baizhuchen/2012/09/07/yes-we-canmake-iphones-in-america/
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zbdent

(35,392 posts)
1. The fact that people will shell out that much money for something that
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 08:56 PM
Sep 2012

will be surpassed so quickly, is a sure sign that they will spend the money.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
2. It really really is ... Man the printing presses! I watch the
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:07 PM
Sep 2012

next gen of this stuff roll out over and over, and I keep thinking "suckers." Sometimes there are leaps, but sometimes stuff is withheld and staged for sucking them into the ongoing releases of the latest and greatest.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
4. 21st century is going to be very interesting as to what
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:49 PM
Sep 2012

constitutes a job. IMO under a capitalistic system it's a real conundrum. Capitalism is a flawed system IMO for the 21st century. I doubt it will last.

And given current trends, many will not do well, it's a rigged system.


hack89

(39,171 posts)
5. Not for highend, high tech capital goods
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:53 PM
Sep 2012

which is what US manufacturing primarily concentrates on now.

For consumer goods perhaps you are right but low tech low skill manufacturing will never come back to America. As Walmart has shown, if you drive the price low enough there will always be enough buyers - which means foreign manufacturing or automation at home.

bhikkhu

(10,716 posts)
6. Technological progress has been destroying jobs since the end of the dark ages
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:11 PM
Sep 2012

at least. I suppose arguments could be made farther back than that, but at the end of the dark ages moldboard plows began to proliferate out of China, making agriculture much less labor intensive. It doubled the productivity of an individual, so presumably destroyed half the jobs in agriculture. There, its been downhill since.

Around that time the Cistercians monks began to expand rapidly, and one of their things was harnessing water power using smaller more efficient designs of the massive old waterwheels. For grinding flour at first, then increasingly for every sort of thing that could be run from a rotating shaft. Steady and massive job loss ensued over the centuries...

I'm not arguing that your point is mistaken, only that this has been going on for a very long time. Nobody wants to go back to hand labor for everything, as that was a life (a brief life, all too often) of hard toil, but I haven't heard a good idea of where things stop, or how to fairly manage the distribution of all the wealth that automation can create.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
10. That, IMO, is a major hurdle for the 21st century, "how to fairly manage the distribution of all
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:38 PM
Sep 2012

the wealth that automation can create." And what constitutes a job in the 21st century. The old system is cracking and today is being band-aided together. I'm sure there are brilliant economists that know what to do, but I fear they are drowned out by those holding the $$$ and power of the US. None want to lose a dime in the game.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
7. What I want to know is, under present conditions,
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:21 PM
Sep 2012

who exactly do they think will buy the baubles? The poor who can't even find enough money for food? Or maybe the working poor, that have been reduced to destitution?

Yes, three D printing is part of the future, yes it is a great thing... but if you do not employ actual people, you won't be able to find people who buy your goods.

UNLESS, and I do not see it under present mentality, we change how society works. This means yes, I produce those phones in a 3D manufacturing facility, BUT, I have a way to occupy the population where they can avoid those baubles and not think revolution or sundry revolting thoughts like that... it is a dead end.

Though I will not believe them not capable. It seems they have forgotten Henry Ford's lessons, yup, he was a bigot, but he figured out why his workers should be able to afford a Model T.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
8. Yep, what you've detailed is pretty much what I was
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:31 PM
Sep 2012

thinking in my post #4 in this thread. Supply/Demand won't work unless people have jobs, so there will be Supply, but no Demand, because no jobs, hence no $$$ purchasing power. These are very very strange times, because of all of the brainwashing, power plays and profiteers. What could be best for all of the people does not get done, it is stifled. There is a transformation going on in this country and I don't like the direction.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
9. The reaction is what will surprise these people
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:36 PM
Sep 2012

because there is a limit, and no matter how much propaganda you use.

That said, have used some of this for a fiction story, started as a short, it's evolving into something larger, and yes, uses our current dystopia,

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
11. And the movie "Metropolis" always come to mine - mindless
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:46 PM
Sep 2012

repetition to feed the system. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolis_%28film%29

That, will be a great story you're working on!!! ... for many are clearly living in a dystopia. The charade will only hold it together for so long.

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