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tjdee

(18,048 posts)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:32 PM Sep 2012

Maddow made an excellent point about free speech/protests tonight.

Basically, she said one of the reasons people get so upset is that they don't fully understand how free speech works. If a movie like this is not banned in America, because of the governments they are used to, they understand it to mean that the government must agree with it.

I don't think anyone has made this point before, and it really underscores why they protest America as a whole instead of the director or whatever.

Plus, there was a report that the film only cost 60K and dude got it from his wife's family. Not 5 mil. *chuckles*

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Maddow made an excellent point about free speech/protests tonight. (Original Post) tjdee Sep 2012 OP
Exactly liberal N proud Sep 2012 #1
Well, maybe those rioting Muslims who "hate us for our freedoms" ought to learn about them. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #2
Beam in thine own eye and all that. TheMadMonk Sep 2012 #16
It looks like it was made on $1,000 based on cheap green screen shots alone. Jennicut Sep 2012 #3
It's the length of time that we have been exposed to Free Speech (as a culture) Volaris Sep 2012 #18
We are talking about countries where they still stone women former-republican Sep 2012 #4
Not Egypt or Libya nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #6
I wasn't referring to those two but the riots are happening in 8 other countries former-republican Sep 2012 #8
I know, but not all these countries nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #9
Don't get me started on Christianity former-republican Sep 2012 #10
Trust me I know where it will lead nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #11
Well good luck on your endeavor former-republican Sep 2012 #12
Yeah, started as short and it is becoming larger nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #13
Please keep the site updated on this former-republican Sep 2012 #15
In Egypt? XemaSab Sep 2012 #7
A few of us did here, over the last two days nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #5
especially when Mittens says we shouldn't apologize for it. Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #14
I been saying this here for months Bragi Sep 2012 #17
 

TheMadMonk

(6,187 posts)
16. Beam in thine own eye and all that.
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 11:58 PM
Sep 2012

The US has plenty of its own examples, of less than exemplary crowd behaviour.





Westbourough, and this Pastor Terry Jones. Any number of other hellfire and blasphemy preachers who constantly call for retribution to fall upon the heads of this sinner or that.

Anyone who has ever expressed the sentiment: "Why they oughta..."

Consider just how recently blasphemy was a capital offense in our own not to distant past. And how very recently it WOULD have and DID incite mob violence in plenty of Western locales.


BTW: It's not your "freedoms" that earn you so much emnity. It's the way "The Generic American" brings those freedoms with them when (s)he travels that pisses people off. Deliberately ordering t-bone steak in India; or wearing short shorts and a crop top in Northern Africa. "Over paid, over sexed and over here!" was a common wartime lament about American soldiers. You're not welcome, simply because far too many Americans treat the rest of the world as an extension of their own backyard and ride rough shod over local sensibilities.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
3. It looks like it was made on $1,000 based on cheap green screen shots alone.
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:39 PM
Sep 2012

But really, we have different cultures. Their religion in very intertwined with their way of life and their government. Thankfully, as much as the right wingers try, religion is not so overwhelming here. Free speech has been with us for so long we often take it for granted. They have never had true "free speech."

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
18. It's the length of time that we have been exposed to Free Speech (as a culture)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:47 AM
Sep 2012

that allows us the ability to disseminate Legitimate from Bullshit. We see that video, and say to each other "Really? the guy who made this actually got people to GIVE him 5 million $ as an investment? Hahahaha what a bunch of suckers..." and then we go on with our day. THEY see it, and presume, (as was noted in an earlier thread) that if it's not banned by our Government, that means the Government at least tacitly approves...such is not the case.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
4. We are talking about countries where they still stone women
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:39 PM
Sep 2012

Countries where a women is considered second class.
Countries where you can be executed for changing your religious beliefs.

I quit trying to figure them out.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
9. I know, but not all these countries
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:51 PM
Sep 2012

stone women.

Moreover, and it goes without saying, you are talking of a billion + people.. these are the actions of a few thousand.

It is like judging all Christians for the actions of a certain preacher who called for the international burn a koran day.

We all have our nutsos...

I would also like to remind you that at one point even Christianity burned people at the stake for having wrong thoughts. And some of our own radicals would not mind going back to that either, IMO.

All religions have a few nuts.

What some of these countries lack is a DEMOCRATIC tradition...

Oh and yes, I have not given up on trying to understand the human condition.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
11. Trust me I know where it will lead
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:58 PM
Sep 2012

But I prefer to look at the big picture. It's the writer in me!

And some of those nutsos though (insert religion here) make for great fiction fodder.



Still trying to figure it out how to bring that angle into the work I am plotting.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
13. Yeah, started as short and it is becoming larger
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 11:09 PM
Sep 2012

and that is on top of actual reporting from courts and city councils for one of the local papers...

But yeah, novel

I am creating a whole new religion. It's not on a dare, so it will not end up where Dianetics did. (that was on a dare, no serious)

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
5. A few of us did here, over the last two days
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:43 PM
Sep 2012

anybody familiar with how media is controlled around the world is not surprised that people in Egypt believe that this movie was approved by vetters in DC. This is the way movies are approved in Egypt, they are vetted in Cairo.

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