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Ian_rd

(2,124 posts)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 08:48 AM Sep 2012

Joe Scarborough is the first I've read to state correctly why Mitt wants to be president

And the lesson is clear: If (Republicans) want to win the battle of ideas in the long term, we should be willing to face the fact that Mitt Romney is likely to lose — and should, given that he's neither a true conservative nor a courageous moderate. He's just an ambitious man. Nothing wrong with that, except when you want to be president.


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Nailed it. I've thought this for months now. How else to explain Mitt Romney's total lack of core beliefs? His willingness to say absolutely anything according to the political needs of the specific time and place in which he finds himself? And his willingless to lie, lie, lie as if it's nothing whatsoever?

He just wants to be president because it's a goal of his. He wants to be the ultimate winner - to win the ultimate contest. He doesn't give two shits about our country. He just wants his name in the books. What would he do after elected? He really doesn't care, and would therefore just let his handlers decide for him.

Scarborough's entire opinion piece is most definitely worth reading as an eloquent expression of disillusionment felt by the Republicans right about now. But the irony is impossible to ignore. Scarborough was one of the Republicans pushing for Romney the whole time, knowing (correctly) that the more truly conservative clowns like Gingrich and Santorum could never be elected. The entire Republican Party elite chose Romney over the majority preferences of the voting base who wanted someone else. They gave Romney all their money to push him past the Tea Party favorites. Well they got what they wanted. And now they're having some serious buyer's remorse.
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Joe Scarborough is the first I've read to state correctly why Mitt wants to be president (Original Post) Ian_rd Sep 2012 OP
Yup, being President is on Mitt's "Bucket List" woodsprite Sep 2012 #1
His only Core Belief Hab Habit Sep 2012 #4
Ann Romney Concluded "It's Our Turn" Awhile Back DallasNE Sep 2012 #30
Maybe. But I think the reason is different n2doc Sep 2012 #2
I don't buy this - i think the ambition thing has more to do with it el_bryanto Sep 2012 #8
Indeed. It is just another "trophy" for him. tosh Sep 2012 #10
I might go read it for it's Schadenfreude value. corkhead Sep 2012 #3
Best South Park ever. Except for maybe Pandemic: The Startling :D Ian_rd Sep 2012 #11
He hits it right on the mark, actually. Jennicut Sep 2012 #5
He wants to outdo his father--it could be that simple bklyncowgirl Sep 2012 #7
His father made political mistakes by taking a strong position on Vietnam. Jennicut Sep 2012 #22
"He wants to outdo his father..." truebluegreen Sep 2012 #41
Probably more like redeem his father. nt BootinUp Sep 2012 #47
Ambitious, yes, but there's another reason. JaneQPublic Sep 2012 #6
i'm sure you've got it. irisblue Sep 2012 #15
there may be a white horse of a different color there too... oldhippydude Sep 2012 #16
I agree with you there. DippyDem Sep 2012 #31
There are quite a few Mormons in Utah... truebluegreen Sep 2012 #42
Think that's a part of him talking down a GM bailout bigbrother05 Sep 2012 #17
very good point! roscoeroscoe Sep 2012 #35
Ironic isn't it that the Obama 2016 movie is "alleges" President Obama wanted to be like his Father kimbutgar Sep 2012 #18
Bingo!! patricia92243 Sep 2012 #26
+1 BlueStreak Sep 2012 #36
I agree. Renew Deal Sep 2012 #46
I think it was Charles Pierce who said it better...asking Mittens why he joeybee12 Sep 2012 #9
Mittens wants to be President, he doesn't want to do the job liberal N proud Sep 2012 #12
Have thought this, for some time cilla4progress Sep 2012 #13
and heaven05 Sep 2012 #28
BBC's "The Mormon Candidate" said that Mormons CRAVE respectability UTUSN Sep 2012 #14
Lying for the Lord truebluegreen Sep 2012 #44
During the primaries when it was the flavor of the week INdemo Sep 2012 #19
I remember is clear as day Cosmocat Sep 2012 #20
When I saw them pushing for Romney in the primaries I thought they didn't 'get' their own people SaveAmerica Sep 2012 #21
Well, sort of. But there's another explanation for his inconsistencies. Marr Sep 2012 #23
Bingo! We have a winner! n/t truebluegreen Sep 2012 #45
rMoney believes he's entitled to the position - just like everything else in his life. HopeHoops Sep 2012 #24
Joe is right. ClusterFreak Sep 2012 #25
And yet Joe will promote him and vote for him. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #27
Thanks for putting my thoughts into words... russspeakeasy Sep 2012 #34
Ambitious? Pamelajaynn Sep 2012 #29
When you have more money than you could ever spend... Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #32
Rockefeller mr.ed Sep 2012 #33
If Romney goes down in flames, how long avebury Sep 2012 #37
not a question of "if" oldhippydude Sep 2012 #38
We can only hope. nt avebury Sep 2012 #40
Joe is at least intelligent. Not a tea bagging fool. Dannyteague Sep 2012 #39
Joe still thinks their ideas are better smorkingapple Sep 2012 #43

woodsprite

(11,915 posts)
1. Yup, being President is on Mitt's "Bucket List"
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 09:00 AM
Sep 2012

I've seen some of those repubs w/ buyers remorse. They don't know how to handle it.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
30. Ann Romney Concluded "It's Our Turn" Awhile Back
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 11:04 AM
Sep 2012

When asked about the nomination. And "you people" need to get in line.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
2. Maybe. But I think the reason is different
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 09:01 AM
Sep 2012

He wants to lower his taxes, preferably to zero. And maybe devise ways to make more money through Government interventions. It's all about the Benjamins for Mittens.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
8. I don't buy this - i think the ambition thing has more to do with it
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 09:19 AM
Sep 2012

Lets face it - there are a lot easier ways to make money than running for president, if it really was all about the benjamins.

Bryant

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
5. He hits it right on the mark, actually.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 09:05 AM
Sep 2012

Romney was pushed as a child to be ambitious. His father was probably a good man but worked hard for what he got. Mittens was handed everything, was ungrateful and now thinks he is owed this. He has no vision, not a conservative nor moderate one. He does what is expedient at the time and his positions change to fit the wind. He is soulless and almost inhuman. Which is why his campaign will implode on itself because he has nothing to offer. Even W. had a vision, a neocon one that was destructive. But it was something. Romney has nothing but the need to win.

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
7. He wants to outdo his father--it could be that simple
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 09:17 AM
Sep 2012

Aside from rabidly defending his right to keep his tax returns private, Romney has not taken a strong stand on anything. By this point his position on so many issues has shifted so many times that even he can't keep track of them--hence the kerfuffle last weekend when he seemed to endorse parts of Obamacare.

His dad ran for president and lost. By all accounts his father was a decent man with strong personal convictions. Mitt on the other hand will never let any personal convictions--if he actually has any--get in the way of winning. We already know he's ruthless.

There's a reason why anyone who has ever run against him despises him even though Republicans must not show their distaste in public.

This is a bit off topic but I wonder if John McCain was Harry Reid's source on the tax issue. He saw those tax returns. He could have put that whole thing to rest but he chose not to.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
22. His father made political mistakes by taking a strong position on Vietnam.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:39 AM
Sep 2012

Repubs cared (I think George Romney was right). I think Mittens avoids taking actual positions on anything because of that.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
41. "He wants to outdo his father..."
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:30 PM
Sep 2012

just like W; except Romney's father was an actual human being, with human feelings, capable of relating to / understanding other human beings, and the world as it is.

Which is why Romney senior lost.

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
6. Ambitious, yes, but there's another reason.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 09:11 AM
Sep 2012

And it's the same reason McCain and GWBush ran for president: Daddy issues.

GWBush had a father who held up little brother JEB as the ideal presidential candidate, so Uncurious George ran, showing up both his brother and his dad, especially when Dubya "finished the business" his daddy didn't: taking out Saddam.

With McCain, he ran for president only to become Commander in Chief, the only job in the world where he would outrank his Admiral daddy and Admiral granddaddy.

And of course, with Mitt, it's the same way: a father who was a corporate CEO who ran but failed to become president. The only way Mitt can do his daddy one better is to win what his daddy lost: a presidential election.

Mitt doesn't give a damn about domestic issues or foreign affairs or improving America; he only cares about filling out his resume with the one achievement that eleuded his father.

irisblue

(32,975 posts)
15. i'm sure you've got it.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 09:32 AM
Sep 2012

I had some respect for Bush41 b/c of his military service, but as I learned more about how the Bush family has impacted American decisions, I wonder about 41s' father issues as well. 3 generations of that toxic cesspool, ugh

oldhippydude

(2,514 posts)
16. there may be a white horse of a different color there too...
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 09:37 AM
Sep 2012

probably suppressed... but would sure fit with his persona of entitlement..

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
42. There are quite a few Mormons in Utah...
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:33 PM
Sep 2012

excited about all kinds of stuff. That's what they do. Having lived amongst 'em for many years, I am well aware of their dis-connection with reality.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
17. Think that's a part of him talking down a GM bailout
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 09:39 AM
Sep 2012

If GM had been forced to go bankrupt and seek private funding, there is a chance that a Bain engineered takeover would have come to the SLC Olympics savior to run GM. To Mitt, heading GM would have topped his dad and also burnished his rep for the 2012 campaign. Would also explain why he's tried to take credit for GM.

kimbutgar

(21,154 posts)
18. Ironic isn't it that the Obama 2016 movie is "alleges" President Obama wanted to be like his Father
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 09:43 AM
Sep 2012

This Dinesh fool thinks he knows how President Obama thinks. What a crock but from what I've seen of our President he doesn't have "daddy" issues as he had role models in his step father and grandfather. Unlike McCain, Bush, and Rmoney they were probably ignored by their fathers who pursued their careers while ignoring their children. My brother in law is a conservative who's father was too busy to be a father to him because he had a successful law career. My brother in law worshiped his absent father. He is the most needy person I have ever met.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
9. I think it was Charles Pierce who said it better...asking Mittens why he
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 09:21 AM
Sep 2012

wanted to be President. The response: Because I'm Mitt Romney.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
12. Mittens wants to be President, he doesn't want to do the job
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 09:28 AM
Sep 2012

It is just another accomplishment that he feels he must have.

cilla4progress

(24,736 posts)
13. Have thought this, for some time
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 09:31 AM
Sep 2012

What is also striking to me about Rmoney is his sense of entitlement. This is why he can bald-faced lie and switch positions with impunity, claiming to hold Obama's positions before Obama did!

Rmoney was BORN entitled. No one has ever questioned his decision-making or assertions. Why would they start now? Why would he have to justify any position? All he has to do it state it, and it is becomes a given, a truth? At least that is how it has always worked in the business world for him. No risk. No self-examination. No higher goals or objectives. Just short term wins.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
28. and
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:56 AM
Sep 2012

lest we forget, he's a bishop in the mormon faith. Rather hotsie, totsie, I presume. NO ONE questions a mormon bishop. He's next to the almighty and his religion tells him he a true god on earth. No put down of his religion, just fact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Folks there is a lot of truly ugly stuff with this guy.

UTUSN

(70,696 posts)
14. BBC's "The Mormon Candidate" said that Mormons CRAVE respectability
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 09:31 AM
Sep 2012

Plus, [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]HIDE[/FONT] their true motives and agenda, are [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]mendacious[/FONT]. The motive in the incessant proselytizing is [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]to *attract*[/FONT] (convert) people, extending to physical appearance of being squeaky clean, [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]"normal"[/FONT] (khakis) and [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]big on entertainment[/FONT] (OSMONDs). It ain’t just the OSMONDs: Find a Mormon and there’s all kinds of singin’ ‘n’ dancin’ going on, besides other forms of “entertainment”, like Glen BecKKK.

If anybody thinks I'm generalizing or pushing personal observations into bigotry territory: I knew a teacher who was a Mormon bishop, totally very personable and totally [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]"nice"[/FONT] *and* indefatigable sponsor of the folkloric [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]dance club[/FONT], attract attract attract, and a couple of their missionaries would [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]not reveal[/FONT] what (beyond Jesus) they believe differently ("milk before meat&quot . When Mittens [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]evades and dodges[/FONT], he's not doing secular flip-flopping, he's doing an [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]ingrained Mormon thing[/FONT].

In that BBC documentary, Mittens' second cousin, who is ex-Mormon and therefore "alienated" (shunned) by/from family, said, "They don't realize how much they are into [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]brainwashing[/FONT]."






INdemo

(6,994 posts)
19. During the primaries when it was the flavor of the week
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:22 AM
Sep 2012

Scarborough's comments during those primaries was "why don't we just chalk this up as a loss and look forward to 2016"
Then he got the scripts for Romney and he was not about to stray from the scripted message until now...
This is his message for today ..but wait,tomorrow will be a different script and J Scarborough's will follow that script and have nothing but praise for this robotic candidate...But one has to be careful how that is framed..It could be that the next SCOTUS ruling could be that yes..Robots are people too.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
20. I remember is clear as day
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:31 AM
Sep 2012

during the primaries - Scab never directly supported Mittens.

But, EVERY time when he was being pushed or over taken by one of the wacka loons, be it Bachman, Pizza Clown, Nwet, Santorum - he would work VERY hard at hammering them with issue/talking point that the establishment Rs put out to cut them off at the knees. He was VERY much in line with the establishment - they knew the base did not like Romney, so they could not come out and flat endorse him, but they were very quick and aggressive to take down each of the other candidates when they started to make their runs.

He got the guy he was backing.

And, absolutely, I think what this moron did the other night was so far beyond ridiculous, that some of these clowns can't abide it. But, the wind will blow another direction soon, and Scab will go with it.

SaveAmerica

(5,342 posts)
21. When I saw them pushing for Romney in the primaries I thought they didn't 'get' their own people
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:37 AM
Sep 2012

Who thought it was a good idea to push him through the primaries? Most Republicans and moderates who lean Republican kept saying they hate Romney, that he is just a Democrat in R's clothing.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
23. Well, sort of. But there's another explanation for his inconsistencies.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:40 AM
Sep 2012

He doesn't give a shit about the traditional wedge issues, and doesn't particularly care about things like foreign policy. He's completely devoted to the concept of wealth and privilege, however, and he is constant as the North Star on that topic. He's no less an ideologue than someone like Scarborough, who would (I expect) use the office to cram his gospel into everyone's lives. Romney's gospel just happens to be built solely around money and class.

ClusterFreak

(3,112 posts)
25. Joe is right.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:45 AM
Sep 2012

Except for the 'battle of ideas' part. Dems win that battle. Each and every time. Without exception. Period. Full stop.

But other than that....woo hoo!!! Go Joe!!

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
27. And yet Joe will promote him and vote for him.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:51 AM
Sep 2012

Hot talk from a guy who can not draw an audience even with Corporate backers like Starbucks helping his attempts to destroy all Democrats.

Pamelajaynn

(60 posts)
29. Ambitious?
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 11:00 AM
Sep 2012

Totally agree ambitious and he's on a power trip!! He's making millions why settle for a job at $400000/ year? Compared to his current salary what is the point?? Oh yeah White Power period!!

mr.ed

(18 posts)
33. Rockefeller
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 11:17 AM
Sep 2012

Nelson Rockefeller wanted it the same way. It certainly wasn't about the money. He wasn't healthy enough. Willard seems in pretty good shape below the neck, with presidential hair above it. He even gets a few extra poll points because he isn't a "them."
If Obama hadn't caved on so many issues, he'd be even further ahead, retaining and growing his now disappointed base.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
37. If Romney goes down in flames, how long
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:00 PM
Sep 2012

do you think it will be before he starts to push one of his sons into politics? He has five shots to still get a Romney to the White House some day.

smorkingapple

(827 posts)
43. Joe still thinks their ideas are better
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:41 PM
Sep 2012

and he'll blame Romney when he loses, not the fact that conservative ideas are shit.

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