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redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 09:38 AM Sep 2012

5 Logical Fallacies That Make You Wrong More Than You Think

The Internet has introduced a golden age of ill-informed arguments. You can't post a video of an adorable kitten without a raging debate about pet issues spawning in the comment section. These days, everyone is a pundit.

But with all those different perspectives on important issues flying around, you'd think we'd be getting smarter and more informed. Unfortunately, the very wiring of our brains ensures that all these lively debates only make us dumber and more narrow-minded. For instance ...

#5. We're Not Programmed to Seek "Truth," We're Programmed to "Win"
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http://www.cracked.com/article_19468_5-logical-fallacies-that-make-you-wrong-more-than-you-think.html
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5 Logical Fallacies That Make You Wrong More Than You Think (Original Post) redgreenandblue Sep 2012 OP
Those are great, and informative. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #1
That was truly fascinating! JohnnyRingo Sep 2012 #2
I love their website. I can literally spend hours on there. redgreenandblue Sep 2012 #3
Schopenhauer, The Art of Controversy tama Sep 2012 #4

JohnnyRingo

(18,635 posts)
2. That was truly fascinating!
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:42 AM
Sep 2012

By the time I got to #1 I understood why newspaper comment sections are so volatile and toxic. It's just human nature to be a dick in an argument, and being anonymous augments the hostility to the point of violent threats.

I've never seen anyone in a comment thread admit their eyes have been opened by a free exchange of debate, and when all else fails we resort back to #5: "We're not programmed to seek the truth, we're programmed to win".

I love Cracked. It was the humor magazine I graduated to after spending my later grade school years reading Mad back in the '60s (in the '70s it was National Lampoon). I'm glad they made the adaptation to the internet.

redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
3. I love their website. I can literally spend hours on there.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:37 PM
Sep 2012

They are refreshingly objective and impartial.

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
4. Schopenhauer, The Art of Controversy
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 09:09 AM
Sep 2012
Aristotle divides all conclusions into logical and dialectical, in the manner described, and then into eristical. (3) Eristic is the method by which the form of the conclusion is correct, but the premisses, the materials from which it is drawn, are not true, but only appear to be true. Finally (4) Sophistic is the method in which the form of the conclusion is false, although it seems correct. These three last properly belong to the art of Controversial Dialectic, as they have no objective truth in view, but only the appearance of it, and pay no regard to truth itself; that is to say, they aim at victory. Aristotle's book on Sophistic Conclusions was edited apart from the others, and at a later date. It was the last book of his Dialectic.]

If the reader asks how this is, I reply that it is simply the natural baseness of human nature. If human nature were not base, but thoroughly honourable, we should in every debate have no other aim than the discovery of truth; we should not in the least care whether the truth proved to be in favour of the opinion which we had begun by expressing, or of the opinion of our adversary. That we should regard as a matter of no moment, or, at any rate, of very secondary consequence; but, as things are, it is the main concern. Our innate vanity, which is particularly sensitive in reference to our intellectual powers, will not suffer us to allow that our first position was wrong and our adversary's right. The way out of this difficulty would be simply to take the trouble always to form a correct judgment. For this a man would have to think before he spoke. But, with most men, innate vanity is accompanied by loquacity and innate dishonesty. They speak before they think; and even though they may afterwards perceive that they are wrong, and that what they assert is false, they want it to seem the contrary. The interest in truth, which may be presumed to have been their only motive when they stated the proposition alleged to be true, now gives way to the interests of vanity: and so, for the sake of vanity, what is true must seem false, and what is false must seem true.

However, this very dishonesty, this persistence in a proposition which seems false even to ourselves, has something to be said for it. It often happens that we begin with the firm conviction of the truth of our statement; but our opponent's argument appears to refute it. Should we abandon our position at once, we may discover later on that we were right after all; the proof we offered was false, but nevertheless there was a proof for our statement which was true. The argument which would have been our salvation did not occur to us at the moment. Hence we make it a rule to attack a counter-argument, even though to all appearances it is true and forcible, in the belief that its truth is only superficial, and that in the course of the dispute another argument will occur to us by which we may upset it, or succeed in confirming the truth of our statement. In this way we are almost compelled to become dishonest; or, at any rate, the temptation to do so is very great. Thus it is that the weakness of our intellect and the perversity of our will lend each other mutual support; and that, generally, a disputant fights not for truth, but for his proposition, as though it were a battle pro aris et focis. He sets to work per fas et nefas; nay, as we have seen, he cannot easily do otherwise. As a rule, then, every man will insist on maintaining whatever he has said, even though for the moment he may consider it false or doubtful.[1]


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