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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHE SAID IT!!!!! On TV Yes!!! Mitt Romney is a threat to our National Security!!
Charlie Rangel on msnbc just read off a list of reasons why - from this recent failure to
calling Russia our biggest threat - while US/Russia relations are improving.
Go Dems - I want to hear this over and over again.!!!
EDIT to Add ~ this could possibly change the conversation! Charlie's comments will be discussed today "Did you hear what Charlie Rangel said?" Gasp!!
Let them beat Charlie up over this, let them trash Charlie all day; all weekend; all month long ~ he has planted the seeds of thought in people's minds.
And LET the Romney Campaign explain why their comments were not a threat. All weekend - let them explain on the Sunday shows why Mitt's comments trashing the President of the United States while Americans in Syria were being killed did not weaken our attempts to diffuse the situation.
goclark
(30,404 posts)He needs to be front and center ~
porphyrian
(18,530 posts)global1
(25,249 posts)caused this uprising to exacerbate? I'm just wondering if Rmoney's comments added fuel to the fire? And is this why it is still going on and maybe getting worse?
forgot the sarcasm smilie/avatar, right?
mick063
(2,424 posts)Covert plans do not exacerbate. Meanwhile, the film will continue to antagonize.
Here is what many folks don't get. Although Al Qua ida would have attacked anyway, the embassy statement may have successfully, albeit partially diffused the situation with respect to the roving mobs in Egypt. The embassy press release and the Al Qua ida attacks took place in two different countries.
All Romney's comments did was indicate how far out of the information loop he is in.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)of "Appologizing for Our Values", which was seen in the Arab World as defending that POS movie.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021339892
If Americans die this weekend, the blood will be on his hands.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Romney flat out referred to the content of that video as part of "our values" and President Obama shouldn't have "apologized" for it. It's actually quite stunning if you think about it and deserves a new thread for discussion.
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glockenstein
(1 post)I'm pretty sure he was referring to the First Amendment when he said "our values". Nobody will agree with everything that someone says or feels but we should all defend their right to say it.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)Enemy propaganda is generally frowned upon.
Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)The film provided the perfect cover for the coordinated attacks in Benghazi, and the perfect propaganda tool that is paying Al-Qaeda and their ilk major dividends.
What would have been a stand-alone attack on our embassy in Libya on 9/11, that could be turned against them on the streets of Egypt and Libya, are now a rally cry in over 20 countries, and more every hour.
ArcticFox
(1,249 posts)But I fear no one with prosecutorial power well see it that way.
BumRushDaShow
(129,030 posts)so the result is that the 1st Amendment part is lost and the message itself is considered his "values".
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)so your point fails the basic test. We can not imprison them for their "values", but we can disown them.
Sorry to say, but your argument is clown bro.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)do you support Rmoney's SUPPORT for the film (position #1)?
Or do you support his CONDEMNATION of the film (position #2)?
He has taken polar opposite positions on the matter within less than 48 hours. Which is the correct position?
Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)Did Romney Fan the Flames of US Hatred?
I even called it that morning (9/12) on the link provided on top of this thread.
PatSeg
(47,461 posts)is making it worse with his stupid "this president is leading from behind" meme and openly criticizing the President of the United States when Americans lives are at risk overseas. Totally irresponsible and as republicans said many times about Democrats during the Bush years, "unamerican".
vlyons
(10,252 posts)about backing away from nuclear disarmaments was far more damaging than Mitt accusing POTUS of apologising to Muslims. Anyone who does not support POTUS efforts to curb nuclear proliferation and advance nuclear disarmament is dangerous and unAmerican. Romney is an even more incompetent fool than GW Bush.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Joe Biden has worked so damn hard to smooth over relations with Russia - as an ally & for more control over loose nukes.
I guarantee if this comes up during the debate, Biden will become unleashed.
Rob H.
(5,351 posts)Maybe it's just schadenfreude talking, but I really want to see Biden wipe the floor with that callous, lying twerp.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)not trying to be a Debby Downer, but the game isn't won yet. We have to keep working hard.
Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)But Junior wasn't perceived to be all that smart and people didn't expect much. Willard is a rich man and folks assume he had to have some brains to get that way (beyond birth into the right family). He has two advanced degrees. He is expected to do well. That's the difference.
The debates are truly Willard's last chance to even score points. But, yes, we need to keep working hard, definitely.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)and welcome to DU.
Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)It's not much different than bombing Iraq 'cause they hate our freedom.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)took care of demolishing the Russians' core beliefs. They're still searching for some new ones.
Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)I think he said it on Tamron Hall. I agree; it's a notion that should be widely discussed.
OldEurope
(1,273 posts)anybody in Africa or Asia gave a thing* on what Mr. Romney says or says not?
I'm quite sure that none of those insurgents has ever heard his name.
They are only interested in attacking "The West". If they can't find Americans they take Germans, Brits, what ever.
*insert your personal cuss
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)and Romney gave them a dusey.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)main purposes of the insurgency is the divide the U.S. subsequently the U.S. destroying itself. What Mittens did was to confirm that during the overseas crisis and is still continuing by the GOP establishment. In a crisis the US government, including people running for office should come together as one which shows STRENGTH. What Mittens did showed weakness which sent a message out to the anti-westerns as mission accomplished. And as the violent protest goes on, you have the GOP blaming Pres O for the death of the Ambassador and the others by saying Pres O caused the murder of them. The GOP party DOES NOT CARE ABOUT PATRIOTISM, nor liberty nor freedom.
patrice
(47,992 posts)Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)And they will see the weakness as an opportunity. More attacks will be eminent.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)then I think all is fair for Charlie Rangel to speak the truth!!!
Romney and his people can say the most vile things about the President, and then act all butt hurt if someone says anything "unbecoming" about Romney.
patrice
(47,992 posts)is that a President Romney would have instituted such a regime of oppression throughout the whole region, and understand the means by which that would be accomplished would be Saddam Hussein-clones at ALL levels, correct??
He's saying there'd be no violence, because he'd have Uncle Sugar pay people to "prevent" other people in the region from acting democratically, because that could eventually result in an attack.
So, essentially he's saying he'd set us up to "have to" go into ________________ (again) to rein in another one of our monsters.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)about true democracy. They think that the "Republic" part of "democratic Republic" entitles them to always be in power, no matter how many people think otherwise. You know, those people ...
patrice
(47,992 posts)out to be people dying for money, though they pretend that people are dying for some absolute value, like God, or country, or "life", or whatever they can get people to die for.
This. IS. pure. Facism.
tridim
(45,358 posts)Except for Utah I assume.
He's a good little neocon.
patrice
(47,992 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)According to Mormon beliefs, The Second Coming will see Jesus first make his way to Jerusalem and then to Missouri. All believers are to make their way to him there, by foot if they can.
patrice
(47,992 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,789 posts)". . .dangerous and foolish. . ."
". . .you may not like the people you work with, they may not like you. But whose side are you on?. . ."
Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)BootinUp
(47,152 posts)flyguyjake
(492 posts)I hope Obama buries Romney!
tavalon
(27,985 posts)And flunked it badly.
MADem
(135,425 posts)What's not being said, to be quite blunt about it, is that Mitt Romney is UNSTABLE. He blurts out stupid shit, he spends days trying to walk back his stupid shit, he's impulsive, childish, petty and N. Q. R. -- Not Quite Right.
I have said before this that I think he's medicated, but not regularly. He came off as medicated at the Convention, and during that ill-advised Faux Presidential Press Conference where he made the dumbass statement and took two or three questions and waltzed off, smirking. It is easy to hear in his voice--there is a timbre of TENSION and a staccato speech pattern normally; when he's drugged, he slows down, the tense timbre is gone, he does even more "camel kissing" (a tic/snick at the end of sentences) and his speaking tones drop slightly.
Running a country isn't like running a sleazy little profit sucking/business destroying enterprise like Bain...you can't fire the citizens of the country, and they can and will talk back to you. RMoney never has quite gotten that. He didn't have to learn it in MA--the legislature just laughed at him and pretended he wasn't there.