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jillan

(39,451 posts)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:17 AM Sep 2012

HE SAID IT!!!!! On TV Yes!!! Mitt Romney is a threat to our National Security!!

Charlie Rangel on msnbc just read off a list of reasons why - from this recent failure to
calling Russia our biggest threat - while US/Russia relations are improving.



Go Dems - I want to hear this over and over again.!!!

EDIT to Add ~ this could possibly change the conversation! Charlie's comments will be discussed today "Did you hear what Charlie Rangel said?" Gasp!!
Let them beat Charlie up over this, let them trash Charlie all day; all weekend; all month long ~ he has planted the seeds of thought in people's minds.
And LET the Romney Campaign explain why their comments were not a threat. All weekend - let them explain on the Sunday shows why Mitt's comments trashing the President of the United States while Americans in Syria were being killed did not weaken our attempts to diffuse the situation.

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HE SAID IT!!!!! On TV Yes!!! Mitt Romney is a threat to our National Security!! (Original Post) jillan Sep 2012 OP
Go Charlie! goclark Sep 2012 #1
. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #2
Has Anything Rmoney Said In The Last Couple Of Days Since This ME Uprising...... global1 Sep 2012 #3
you heaven05 Sep 2012 #11
This was a planned terrorist attack. mick063 Sep 2012 #20
Protesters set fire to American school in Tunis - @Reuters reporter dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #40
It's not just on Russia. He put all our interests in jeopardy by accusing US Embassy in Cairo... Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #4
+100000! jillan Sep 2012 #5
That is the crux of this story and is not really being discussed Oilwellian Sep 2012 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author CJCRANE Sep 2012 #10
First Amendment glockenstein Sep 2012 #12
It depends who made the video and why. CJCRANE Sep 2012 #13
What about "aid and comfort"? Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #25
Great point ArcticFox Sep 2012 #47
He and his handlers are too crass and amateurish to parse it diplomatically BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #16
Exactly. nt snappyturtle Sep 2012 #17
The embassy statement is covered by the same 1st Amendment Rights that cover the film... Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #23
Sooooo........ kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #41
I already have one right here... Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #21
And now McCain PatSeg Sep 2012 #44
Mitt's comments about Russia and Putin's response vlyons Sep 2012 #7
You know who is going to kill R/R on this??? Biden. Just wait until the debates. jillan Sep 2012 #9
I can't wait to see Biden debate Ryan! Rob H. Sep 2012 #15
Release the Kraken!!! vlyons Sep 2012 #26
+1 for unambiguous imagery !!! WheelWalker Sep 2012 #50
Kerry demolished Bush in the debates... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2012 #45
True. Indpndnt Sep 2012 #48
Work hard until it is over... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2012 #51
I definitely will. And thanks for the welcome! Indpndnt Sep 2012 #55
Russians aren't burning down our embassies because they have been insulted on their most core belief Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #24
Reagan and the Beatles vlyons Sep 2012 #29
Good job on the levity. Welcome to DU. Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #35
He said the same thing a couple of days ago aint_no_life_nowhere Sep 2012 #8
Wouldn't that require that OldEurope Sep 2012 #14
I wouldn't dismiss them so lightly. As America goes so goes......just sayin'. nt snappyturtle Sep 2012 #18
On the ground, no, but the clerics ginning this up are always looking for an angle... Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #36
Besides killing most of Americans I think one of the Iliyah Sep 2012 #19
+1google!!! The entire objective being to clone some more Saddam Husseins to run the region for them patrice Sep 2012 #30
Nailed it! Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #38
Considering Romney's spokesman said that "under President Romney the attack wouldn't have happened" progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #22
Can you help me with that? HOW? "... wouldn't (it) have happened"??? The only answer I can think of patrice Sep 2012 #27
Republicans these days aren't all that enthusiastic vlyons Sep 2012 #34
Aren't they also measuring the value of things in people dying for __________ , which actually turns patrice Sep 2012 #37
He wants the whole World to burn. tridim Sep 2012 #28
He's seriously into Fire for Fetuses! with the help of some very addled TEAterrorists. nt patrice Sep 2012 #31
a.k.a. Moloch patrice Sep 2012 #32
And Missouri. Indpndnt Sep 2012 #49
REMEMBER: Egypt is the apple of PNAC -ian eyes! nt patrice Sep 2012 #33
As one character says in "Top Gun", he (Romney) is worse than the enemy. . . DinahMoeHum Sep 2012 #39
+1000000 Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #42
Obama should take his beer, sit around a table with Putin. They can laugh at Rmoney jokes. n/t jtuck004 Sep 2012 #43
Rangel has his issues but I still support him. nt BootinUp Sep 2012 #46
Can't wait for the debates flyguyjake Sep 2012 #52
I think he got his 3am call test tavalon Sep 2012 #53
Wish I'd seen that! MADem Sep 2012 #54

global1

(25,249 posts)
3. Has Anything Rmoney Said In The Last Couple Of Days Since This ME Uprising......
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:22 AM
Sep 2012

caused this uprising to exacerbate? I'm just wondering if Rmoney's comments added fuel to the fire? And is this why it is still going on and maybe getting worse?

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
20. This was a planned terrorist attack.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:07 PM
Sep 2012

Covert plans do not exacerbate. Meanwhile, the film will continue to antagonize.

Here is what many folks don't get. Although Al Qua ida would have attacked anyway, the embassy statement may have successfully, albeit partially diffused the situation with respect to the roving mobs in Egypt. The embassy press release and the Al Qua ida attacks took place in two different countries.

All Romney's comments did was indicate how far out of the information loop he is in.

Blue State Bandit

(2,122 posts)
4. It's not just on Russia. He put all our interests in jeopardy by accusing US Embassy in Cairo...
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:24 AM
Sep 2012

of "Appologizing for Our Values", which was seen in the Arab World as defending that POS movie.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021339892

If Americans die this weekend, the blood will be on his hands.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
6. That is the crux of this story and is not really being discussed
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:41 AM
Sep 2012

Romney flat out referred to the content of that video as part of "our values" and President Obama shouldn't have "apologized" for it. It's actually quite stunning if you think about it and deserves a new thread for discussion.

Response to Oilwellian (Reply #6)

glockenstein

(1 post)
12. First Amendment
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 11:21 AM
Sep 2012

I'm pretty sure he was referring to the First Amendment when he said "our values". Nobody will agree with everything that someone says or feels but we should all defend their right to say it.

Blue State Bandit

(2,122 posts)
25. What about "aid and comfort"?
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:40 PM
Sep 2012

The film provided the perfect cover for the coordinated attacks in Benghazi, and the perfect propaganda tool that is paying Al-Qaeda and their ilk major dividends.

What would have been a stand-alone attack on our embassy in Libya on 9/11, that could be turned against them on the streets of Egypt and Libya, are now a rally cry in over 20 countries, and more every hour.

BumRushDaShow

(129,030 posts)
16. He and his handlers are too crass and amateurish to parse it diplomatically
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 11:42 AM
Sep 2012

so the result is that the 1st Amendment part is lost and the message itself is considered his "values".

Blue State Bandit

(2,122 posts)
23. The embassy statement is covered by the same 1st Amendment Rights that cover the film...
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:31 PM
Sep 2012

so your point fails the basic test. We can not imprison them for their "values", but we can disown them.

Sorry to say, but your argument is clown bro.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
41. Sooooo........
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 01:30 PM
Sep 2012

do you support Rmoney's SUPPORT for the film (position #1)?

Or do you support his CONDEMNATION of the film (position #2)?

He has taken polar opposite positions on the matter within less than 48 hours. Which is the correct position?

PatSeg

(47,461 posts)
44. And now McCain
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:52 PM
Sep 2012

is making it worse with his stupid "this president is leading from behind" meme and openly criticizing the President of the United States when Americans lives are at risk overseas. Totally irresponsible and as republicans said many times about Democrats during the Bush years, "unamerican".

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
7. Mitt's comments about Russia and Putin's response
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:44 AM
Sep 2012

about backing away from nuclear disarmaments was far more damaging than Mitt accusing POTUS of apologising to Muslims. Anyone who does not support POTUS efforts to curb nuclear proliferation and advance nuclear disarmament is dangerous and unAmerican. Romney is an even more incompetent fool than GW Bush.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
9. You know who is going to kill R/R on this??? Biden. Just wait until the debates.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:48 AM
Sep 2012

Joe Biden has worked so damn hard to smooth over relations with Russia - as an ally & for more control over loose nukes.

I guarantee if this comes up during the debate, Biden will become unleashed.

Rob H.

(5,351 posts)
15. I can't wait to see Biden debate Ryan!
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 11:34 AM
Sep 2012

Maybe it's just schadenfreude talking, but I really want to see Biden wipe the floor with that callous, lying twerp.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
45. Kerry demolished Bush in the debates...
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 08:28 PM
Sep 2012

not trying to be a Debby Downer, but the game isn't won yet. We have to keep working hard.

Indpndnt

(2,391 posts)
48. True.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 12:15 AM
Sep 2012

But Junior wasn't perceived to be all that smart and people didn't expect much. Willard is a rich man and folks assume he had to have some brains to get that way (beyond birth into the right family). He has two advanced degrees. He is expected to do well. That's the difference.

The debates are truly Willard's last chance to even score points. But, yes, we need to keep working hard, definitely.

Blue State Bandit

(2,122 posts)
24. Russians aren't burning down our embassies because they have been insulted on their most core belief
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:34 PM
Sep 2012

It's not much different than bombing Iraq 'cause they hate our freedom.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
29. Reagan and the Beatles
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:51 PM
Sep 2012

took care of demolishing the Russians' core beliefs. They're still searching for some new ones.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
8. He said the same thing a couple of days ago
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 10:46 AM
Sep 2012

I think he said it on Tamron Hall. I agree; it's a notion that should be widely discussed.

OldEurope

(1,273 posts)
14. Wouldn't that require that
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 11:24 AM
Sep 2012

anybody in Africa or Asia gave a thing* on what Mr. Romney says or says not?
I'm quite sure that none of those insurgents has ever heard his name.
They are only interested in attacking "The West". If they can't find Americans they take Germans, Brits, what ever.

*insert your personal cuss

Blue State Bandit

(2,122 posts)
36. On the ground, no, but the clerics ginning this up are always looking for an angle...
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 01:00 PM
Sep 2012

and Romney gave them a dusey.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
19. Besides killing most of Americans I think one of the
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 11:59 AM
Sep 2012

main purposes of the insurgency is the divide the U.S. subsequently the U.S. destroying itself. What Mittens did was to confirm that during the overseas crisis and is still continuing by the GOP establishment. In a crisis the US government, including people running for office should come together as one which shows STRENGTH. What Mittens did showed weakness which sent a message out to the anti-westerns as mission accomplished. And as the violent protest goes on, you have the GOP blaming Pres O for the death of the Ambassador and the others by saying Pres O caused the murder of them. The GOP party DOES NOT CARE ABOUT PATRIOTISM, nor liberty nor freedom.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
30. +1google!!! The entire objective being to clone some more Saddam Husseins to run the region for them
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:52 PM
Sep 2012

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
22. Considering Romney's spokesman said that "under President Romney the attack wouldn't have happened"
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:24 PM
Sep 2012

then I think all is fair for Charlie Rangel to speak the truth!!!

Romney and his people can say the most vile things about the President, and then act all butt hurt if someone says anything "unbecoming" about Romney.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
27. Can you help me with that? HOW? "... wouldn't (it) have happened"??? The only answer I can think of
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:49 PM
Sep 2012

is that a President Romney would have instituted such a regime of oppression throughout the whole region, and understand the means by which that would be accomplished would be Saddam Hussein-clones at ALL levels, correct??

He's saying there'd be no violence, because he'd have Uncle Sugar pay people to "prevent" other people in the region from acting democratically, because that could eventually result in an attack.

So, essentially he's saying he'd set us up to "have to" go into ________________ (again) to rein in another one of our monsters.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
34. Republicans these days aren't all that enthusiastic
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:56 PM
Sep 2012

about true democracy. They think that the "Republic" part of "democratic Republic" entitles them to always be in power, no matter how many people think otherwise. You know, those people ...

patrice

(47,992 posts)
37. Aren't they also measuring the value of things in people dying for __________ , which actually turns
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 01:00 PM
Sep 2012

out to be people dying for money, though they pretend that people are dying for some absolute value, like God, or country, or "life", or whatever they can get people to die for.

This. IS. pure. Facism.

Indpndnt

(2,391 posts)
49. And Missouri.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 12:23 AM
Sep 2012

According to Mormon beliefs, The Second Coming will see Jesus first make his way to Jerusalem and then to Missouri. All believers are to make their way to him there, by foot if they can.

DinahMoeHum

(21,789 posts)
39. As one character says in "Top Gun", he (Romney) is worse than the enemy. . .
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 01:04 PM
Sep 2012

". . .dangerous and foolish. . ."
". . .you may not like the people you work with, they may not like you. But whose side are you on?. . ."

MADem

(135,425 posts)
54. Wish I'd seen that!
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 05:16 AM
Sep 2012

What's not being said, to be quite blunt about it, is that Mitt Romney is UNSTABLE. He blurts out stupid shit, he spends days trying to walk back his stupid shit, he's impulsive, childish, petty and N. Q. R. -- Not Quite Right.

I have said before this that I think he's medicated, but not regularly. He came off as medicated at the Convention, and during that ill-advised Faux Presidential Press Conference where he made the dumbass statement and took two or three questions and waltzed off, smirking. It is easy to hear in his voice--there is a timbre of TENSION and a staccato speech pattern normally; when he's drugged, he slows down, the tense timbre is gone, he does even more "camel kissing" (a tic/snick at the end of sentences) and his speaking tones drop slightly.

Running a country isn't like running a sleazy little profit sucking/business destroying enterprise like Bain...you can't fire the citizens of the country, and they can and will talk back to you. RMoney never has quite gotten that. He didn't have to learn it in MA--the legislature just laughed at him and pretended he wasn't there.

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