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Female supporter caught flirting with the President. No shame (Original Post) mfcorey1 Sep 2012 OP
Brings tears to my eyes. louis-t Sep 2012 #1
Oh! JustAnotherGen Sep 2012 #2
You forgot a few syllables A HERETIC I AM Sep 2012 #9
LOL Son of Gob Sep 2012 #3
OMG... that last picture... redqueen Sep 2012 #6
What a little sweetheart HarveyDarkey Sep 2012 #20
I'm no kid expert, but I'd say she knows two things-- BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2012 #39
So adorable. ismnotwasm Sep 2012 #4
too cute..... skeewee08 Sep 2012 #5
Ir-resistable! Also close to pappa, she will be a strong woman. nt patrice Sep 2012 #7
That first pic...she is giving Obama such a cute "come on" look! CTyankee Sep 2012 #8
"Come on" and what? What in the hell are you saying? RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #18
What do you see? Such a perverted remark. mfcorey1 Sep 2012 #22
I see the words "cute come on look" as having sexual connotation. RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #25
Listen, Mitt. You need to find other talking points. I am done with this. Moving on from mfcorey1 Sep 2012 #27
I hope you choose better words next time that mean what you mean. RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #29
I think you're the only one sexualizing children. Weird. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2012 #37
Well, let's see what we can find. In the context of the post we are discussing RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #40
I am really sorry you took my remark as you did, but I understand your concern and CTyankee Sep 2012 #59
I hesitated because it was you. I appreciate your kind words and do wish I had been more gentle. RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #62
Oh, thank you RT! What a nice thing to say to me! CTyankee Sep 2012 #67
I'll be there! My art history minor is unfinished, but I got my Visual Communication degree and RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #68
Wonderful! Good luck to you! I actually considered (briefly) going back for CTyankee Sep 2012 #70
Big hugs to Radiation Therapy... CoffeeCat Sep 2012 #41
Thank you for sharing your story. I am sorry for your loss. RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Chorophyll Sep 2012 #71
OMG that is so cute life long demo Sep 2012 #10
That is one of my favorite campaign pictures. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #11
Priceless... cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #12
remember when * did that? onethatcares Sep 2012 #13
Who could ever forget hifiguy Sep 2012 #30
no you didnt!!!!! zonkers Sep 2012 #79
beautiful!!!!!!!!!!! n/t onecent Sep 2012 #14
Totally the baby-whisperer treestar Sep 2012 #15
Cute, but not flirting because she's a small child. Sexualizing children is ridiculous; disgusting. RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #16
Back off with your ridiculous accusations. It is your mind that is filled with filth. Everyone mfcorey1 Sep 2012 #21
You said she was "flirting with no shame". You used sexual language and your ignorance of that RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #23
Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #24
I am precise with language and think about it enough not to contextualize a 3 year old RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #26
I feel compelled to say that I did not alert on the blocked post. n/t RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #69
Try grabbing a dictionary next time instead of wiki. Flirting does not have a sexual component. FSogol Sep 2012 #55
Which one applies when there is "no shame?" Why call her a "female supporter" instead of a little RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #57
Why call her a female supporter? For humorous effect. You expect to see a woman, but FSogol Sep 2012 #58
You expect to see a woman (because the implication of shameless flirtation is included). RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #61
I feel bad for you. n/t FSogol Sep 2012 #64
No need; life is great. Send it to a charity. hahahaha. RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #66
I may be wrong, but I think you're missing the humor in all this VWolf Sep 2012 #33
Too late, hahaha. Why not say, "Little girl reaches for hug with president?" RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #36
Because "Little girl reaches for hug with president" is not a parody of anything VWolf Sep 2012 #44
So only through a sexual context could this have been "humorous?" No. The OP didn't try hard enough. RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #45
Holy cow! No, that's NOT what I'm saying. VWolf Sep 2012 #47
Let it go and don't feed the troll. It is obvious that he wants to stir up foolishness. Put RT on mfcorey1 Sep 2012 #48
Call me what you will, I have a long, undisturbed tenure at DU that will continue. RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #50
The point of the OP was to share the lovely pictures of a little girl reaching for our president. RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #49
You know, I'm a long-time feminist and I'm not unaware that Chorophyll Sep 2012 #75
We must also pay closer attention... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #84
Sweet little Angel!!! Pres Obama is so warm & responsive!! hue Sep 2012 #17
That is so cute! get the red out Sep 2012 #19
That little girl is SO cute. hifiguy Sep 2012 #28
Awwwww. Really cute! n/t MadrasT Sep 2012 #31
Also, contextualizing her as a "female supporter CAUGHT flirting....no shame" RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #32
GET REAL Radiation Therapy...It's wonderful to see onecent Sep 2012 #52
It is wonderful to see these pictures. Do you think the little girl is a shameless flirt? RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #54
why are you arguing about something so ridiculous???????????? You must argue about whether the salt onecent Sep 2012 #60
I don't equate the use of sexual language regarding children to something as trivial as you do above RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #65
Oh FFS... SidDithers Sep 2012 #80
I saved those sometime back malaise Sep 2012 #34
little heaven05 Sep 2012 #35
Awww ....... how adorable. polly7 Sep 2012 #38
K&R nt avebury Sep 2012 #42
We have seen many pics of Obama with kids . . . Brigid Sep 2012 #46
AAWWW outsideworld Sep 2012 #51
What a shameless little hussy! kimbutgar Sep 2012 #53
I'm shocked...just shocked, I tell you. cynatnite Sep 2012 #56
+1 Digital Puppy Sep 2012 #74
Precious! hamsterjill Sep 2012 #63
Scandalous! :) Digital Puppy Sep 2012 #72
What a doll! CanonRay Sep 2012 #73
total cutie pie Skittles Sep 2012 #76
omg Wait Wut Sep 2012 #77
Clicking off your link caused pop ups galore and caused my browser to freeze. ClusterFreak Sep 2012 #78
Very cute. BootinUp Sep 2012 #81
Adorable picture! shame about the thread derail. LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #82
Awww! Lugnut Sep 2012 #83
In contrast Generic Other Sep 2012 #85
Two thoughts on the pictures.... YellaDog1950 Sep 2012 #86

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
39. I'm no kid expert, but I'd say she knows two things--
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:30 PM
Sep 2012

1) Everyone is happy and focusing attention on this kind-eyed man

2) He sends out good vibes.




I'm with her---love him, too!



RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
18. "Come on" and what? What in the hell are you saying?
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:01 PM
Sep 2012

Do you sincerely see this child as sexually communicating with the president??

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
27. Listen, Mitt. You need to find other talking points. I am done with this. Moving on from
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:12 PM
Sep 2012

the void that you operate in.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
29. I hope you choose better words next time that mean what you mean.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:16 PM
Sep 2012

The sexualization of children is something I take seriously and how we use our language affects our perceptions of the world. 3 year olds don't "flirt" they don't have "boyfriends and girlfriends" in the romantic sense. They are too young to be afflicted with nonsense like "lady-killer" or "heart breaker". All of these common phrases in the context of children are people not paying attention to what they are saying and doing. Stay ignorant of it if you choose, but you can fuggoff to think I will be silent about it.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
37. I think you're the only one sexualizing children. Weird.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:27 PM
Sep 2012

Not sure why you think a "come on" look is sexual--no one else does. Remedial English may be in order. The hyphenated "come-on" is a noun, and has more to do with where your mind is. "Come on" functions as a verb and an adverb, similar to "let's go". So before you tell anyone else to fuck off, you may wish to rid yourself of your harmful and embarrassing ignorance.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
40. Well, let's see what we can find. In the context of the post we are discussing
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:34 PM
Sep 2012

the poster says the toddler is giving the president "such a come on look." For me, especially following the sexualized OP, the "come on look" is a sexualized phrase, but I suppose it may have meant "something intended to attract as in an advertisement." Most likely it follows the same reasoning so many others use sexual phrases to refer to children's behavior - they just aren't thinking about what they are saying.

So here is "a come on" from the top hit on google: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/come_on
Noun

come on (plural come ons)

Something intended to attract, as in an advertisement.

The free offers are just come ons to get you in the store so the sales staff can work on you.

A statement or sometimes action reflecting sexual or relational interest.

I thought he'd asked me to lunch to discuss business; I wasn't expecting a come on.

There is also the "come hither look": http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/come-hither+look
come-hither look
an alluring or seductive look or glance, usually done by a woman. She blinked her bedroom eyes and gave him a come-hither look. She had mastered the come-hither look, but was not ready for the next part.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
59. I am really sorry you took my remark as you did, but I understand your concern and
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:26 PM
Sep 2012

I share it. I have two daughters and 3 granddaughters. I did not mean to upset you or anyone. I think the President saw a very cute little girl who was waving at him and giving him a very nice smile. That is all. It is all I meant and all that I think was intended judging by the photo sequence. She held out her arms to be hugged by the President. He does this with lots of babies and young kids. They see a kind of warmth and niceness in him. I think that is a wonderful thing about Obama.

You are right to be vigilant about child sexual abuse. But I am a lifelong feminist in my early 70s and I cherish the girls and young women in my own family, as I am sure you do in yours.

I am not angry with you because I think your heart is in the right place. You simply assumed the worst about my post and it is definitely not the case.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
62. I hesitated because it was you. I appreciate your kind words and do wish I had been more gentle.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:31 PM
Sep 2012

By the time I got to you, I was pretty, er, caffeinated. hahaha. Thanks for understanding and I apologize that I didn't communicate less emotionally with you. You are kind and noble to acknowledge my heart's place. Have a wonderful day and, although I have yet to "get" one before anyone else does, I look forward to your art posts which I adore.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
67. Oh, thank you RT! What a nice thing to say to me!
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:37 PM
Sep 2012

I've got another puzzler for you to work on today. Tune into GD around 5 pm...

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
68. I'll be there! My art history minor is unfinished, but I got my Visual Communication degree and
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:40 PM
Sep 2012

am working on a Masters in Applied Communication now. I will be absorbing all the art history I can when I am finished and will be ready for your puzzles....in 2014. hahahahaha.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
70. Wonderful! Good luck to you! I actually considered (briefly) going back for
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:46 PM
Sep 2012

a Master's in Art History but I don't have it in me for yet another Master's degree (the last one took 4 1/2 years to complete). So in retirement I just read, research and go to art museums...

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
41. Big hugs to Radiation Therapy...
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:36 PM
Sep 2012

Although the poster may not have meant to offend, I do appreciate you being so dedicated to smacking down the mere suggestion that children are sexual or that their actions can somehow be interpreted as sexual.

This is dangerous, dangerous ground. I don't think the average person realizes that pedophiles sexualize children when children are not being sexual. They assign sexual motives to children, which is one of the ways they use to justify child rape in their own mind.

We don't need people, or the media or advertisers playing into the very flawed thinking of the pedophile. Because a pedophile will see these remarks--and use them to further justify child rape.

I'm not telling you anything that you don't all ready know, RadiationTherapy--but I just wanted you to know that I understand what you are fighting for. Again, maybe that poster didn't realize how dangerous his words could be--and I applaud you for fighting this fight.

As a survivor of childhood sexual abuse it is very healing to know that others get it. Because so many do not.

Thank you.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
43. Thank you for sharing your story. I am sorry for your loss.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:42 PM
Sep 2012

I don't mind taking this unpopular position because, often, whether they like me or hate me, people tend to notice after it has been pointed out a few times. Facebook is littered with images and text that sexualize children. There is one of a beautiful baby boy who is at a table with a funny look on his face and pointing. The parents' beers are on the table so the text tends to imply the boy is regaling us with a drunken story. Many of those stories are sexual ones with cartoons, babysitters, and other children as the object. It is bizarre to me that this is so often overlooked.

Hugs to you and to every child.

Response to RadiationTherapy (Reply #25)

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
11. That is one of my favorite campaign pictures.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 01:42 PM
Sep 2012

It's Sascha and Malia who should be worried, not Michelle. (Just joking.)

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
30. Who could ever forget
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:17 PM
Sep 2012


The expression on the Chimp's face may be the dumbest in the history of humanity.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
16. Cute, but not flirting because she's a small child. Sexualizing children is ridiculous; disgusting.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 01:59 PM
Sep 2012

The "no shame" part makes it even more creepy.

We must pay closer attention to the implications of the language we choose. Jeez.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
21. Back off with your ridiculous accusations. It is your mind that is filled with filth. Everyone
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:04 PM
Sep 2012

else sees it as simply a cute pic like so many others the President has taken with children. You need to check your perceptions and not make us wonder about you.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
23. You said she was "flirting with no shame". You used sexual language and your ignorance of that
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:08 PM
Sep 2012

is now corrected.

"Flirting or coquetry is a sexual activity involving verbal or written communication as well as body language by one person to another, suggesting an interest in a deeper relationship with the other person."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flirting

Response to RadiationTherapy (Reply #23)

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
55. Try grabbing a dictionary next time instead of wiki. Flirting does not have a sexual component.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:16 PM
Sep 2012

flirt
verb (used without object)
1. to court triflingly or act amorously without serious intentions; play at love; coquet.
2. to trifle or toy, as with an idea: She flirted with the notion of buying a sports car.
3. to move with a jerk or jerks; dart about: butterflies flirting from flower to flower.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
57. Which one applies when there is "no shame?" Why call her a "female supporter" instead of a little
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:21 PM
Sep 2012

girl? That's what context does; it slightly alters meanings into a more specific connotation.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
58. Why call her a female supporter? For humorous effect. You expect to see a woman, but
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:25 PM
Sep 2012

instead see a little girl. It is a humorous juxtaposition.

Would calling a little girl a cutie, sweetie, or darling raise your sexual hackles? Buy a clue.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
61. You expect to see a woman (because the implication of shameless flirtation is included).
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:28 PM
Sep 2012

If she was called a cutie, sweetie, or darling, I would not be concerned (as you can see by looking through the rest of this thread), but when people call women that, I am concerned because it infantalizes them. Sexualizing children and infantalizing adults are definitely peeves of mine.

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
33. I may be wrong, but I think you're missing the humor in all this
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:22 PM
Sep 2012

Please don't be a killjoy. Pretty please?

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
36. Too late, hahaha. Why not say, "Little girl reaches for hug with president?"
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:24 PM
Sep 2012

Surely "Female supporter flirts with president...no shame" is a sexualization for no purpose. Do you find the OP to be an effective way of communicating what happens in the photos? Do you think sexualizing scenarios with small children is normal?

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
44. Because "Little girl reaches for hug with president" is not a parody of anything
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:46 PM
Sep 2012

and therefore isn't humorous. Not sure where you're going with this.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
45. So only through a sexual context could this have been "humorous?" No. The OP didn't try hard enough.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:49 PM
Sep 2012

And you need only read my posts to see that "where I am going with this" is bringing awareness to the use of sexualized language in relation to children.

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
47. Holy cow! No, that's NOT what I'm saying.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:57 PM
Sep 2012

The point of the OP was to satirize the media's obsession with scandal. As soon as the reader sees that it's a child and not an adult, s/he understands that it's a joke. Do YOU not understand?

I think I'm done with this. It's obviously not going anywhere.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
48. Let it go and don't feed the troll. It is obvious that he wants to stir up foolishness. Put RT on
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:59 PM
Sep 2012

ignore.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
50. Call me what you will, I have a long, undisturbed tenure at DU that will continue.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:02 PM
Sep 2012

In any case, I hope you will remember this thread and pay closer attention to the words you choose.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
49. The point of the OP was to share the lovely pictures of a little girl reaching for our president.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:00 PM
Sep 2012

The sexual connotations in the text the OP chose was their own and "satirizing the media's obsession with scandal" could have been done a dozen other ways. The bottom line for me is that language entails perception and sexual language in reference to babies, children, and minors reinforces a sexual perception of them.

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
75. You know, I'm a long-time feminist and I'm not unaware that
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:52 PM
Sep 2012

little girls are often inappropriately sexualized in our society.

That said, I did not see that here at all, and I'm really sorry you couldn't enjoy this thread for what it was meant to be.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
32. Also, contextualizing her as a "female supporter CAUGHT flirting....no shame"
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:20 PM
Sep 2012

intentionally creates an image of an adult woman flirting in order to have a "gotcha" moment when we see it is a little girl. So, again, your language sexualized a scenario between our president and a 3 year old.

REWRITE!! hahahahahahahahaa

onecent

(6,096 posts)
52. GET REAL Radiation Therapy...It's wonderful to see
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:10 PM
Sep 2012

a picture such as this...and know that our President loves all people. You ARE SICK AND PERVERTED.

Go rewrite you life buddy.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
54. It is wonderful to see these pictures. Do you think the little girl is a shameless flirt?
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:13 PM
Sep 2012

I don't mind your thoughtless mischaracterization of my person, but can you in any way refute my argument?

onecent

(6,096 posts)
60. why are you arguing about something so ridiculous???????????? You must argue about whether the salt
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:27 PM
Sep 2012

in in the right or left shaker.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
65. I don't equate the use of sexual language regarding children to something as trivial as you do above
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:33 PM
Sep 2012

Also, do you think the "female supporter" is a shameless flirt in these pictures?

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
35. little
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:23 PM
Sep 2012

the 'little' disagreement in this thread. The photos and comments seem pretty innocent to me. Our President is very likable and it shows in people who meet him, in all age brackets. lighten up people we have more important worries right now. Totally defeating and trashing, as in send to the city dump, Mitt-twit and aynryan.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
38. Awww ....... how adorable.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:29 PM
Sep 2012

Can you imagine all the excitement and chatter at home later? What a little sweetheart.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
56. I'm shocked...just shocked, I tell you.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:18 PM
Sep 2012

Adorable little thing. Just give her whatever she wants. I couldn't say no to that face.

ClusterFreak

(3,112 posts)
78. Clicking off your link caused pop ups galore and caused my browser to freeze.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 04:04 PM
Sep 2012

Anyone else have this problem? I have proper antivirus software and haven't had this problem in probably five years.

Great pics but this "Magic 106" radio station website appears to have some serious malware issues or something.

YellaDog1950

(44 posts)
86. Two thoughts on the pictures....
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 01:42 PM
Sep 2012

First, how absolutely adoreable. The Dad, his daughter and the President are all loving every moment of that short meeting. And Second, this is also who the President is fighting for, the generations who come after us.

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