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el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
Wed May 13, 2020, 12:12 PM May 2020

Theory - Trump is more likely to declare the election invalid than he is to cancel the election

I think that Trumps delusional state will cause him to believe that he will win regardless of what polls say, but if he fails to win, he will try and declare the election invalid (most likely by throwing out all votes from California).

Does that make sense or am I missing something.

Bryant

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Theory - Trump is more likely to declare the election invalid than he is to cancel the election (Original Post) el_bryanto May 2020 OP
"They rigged the election! They shipped in 30 million illegal voters to steal it!" JHB May 2020 #1
I agree with you leftieNanner May 2020 #2
I disagree about Barr not being on board with that Bettie May 2020 #8
Red State Governors could be a problem leftieNanner May 2020 #10
I think you are 100% right SoonerPride May 2020 #3
Who fucking cares malaise May 2020 #4
You took the words right out of my mouth. GoCubsGo May 2020 #17
He can't invalidate a state function. roamer65 May 2020 #5
That's always been obvious. In 2016 he made it pretty clear that if he didn't win The Velveteen Ocelot May 2020 #6
I think he may try to recruit the GOP majority states to delay if he thinks he is going to lose. Thomas Hurt May 2020 #7
Limo? leftieNanner May 2020 #12
He doesn't have the power to do that, either. MineralMan May 2020 #9
he lies about everything RussBLib May 2020 #11
Probably more likely Proud Liberal Dem May 2020 #13
he's started already. Remember, voting by mail is a way for demigoddess May 2020 #14
Walk me through this delusional scenario... Fiendish Thingy May 2020 #15
Exactly right mokawanis May 2020 #18
This was part of a conversation I had today and made your points. GoneOffShore May 2020 #20
You may be correct sarisataka May 2020 #16
He can't throw out any votes. Demsrule86 May 2020 #19
He can't do that. Dem4Life1102 May 2020 #21
He will announce he "will not certify the election". RhodeIslandOne May 2020 #22
This is why im afraid it might get bloody Squidly May 2020 #26
He'll run his mouth, like he does every day dalton99a May 2020 #23
With 90% Republican approval he'll want the election to happen. Kablooie May 2020 #24
Wouldn't surprise me at all...nt Wounded Bear May 2020 #25
He'll take it to SCOTUS. They'll rationalize a way to give it to him. Pobeka May 2020 #27

JHB

(37,162 posts)
1. "They rigged the election! They shipped in 30 million illegal voters to steal it!"
Wed May 13, 2020, 12:14 PM
May 2020

-- Donal J. Trump, Nov. 4, 2020

leftieNanner

(15,160 posts)
2. I agree with you
Wed May 13, 2020, 12:14 PM
May 2020

And he will try to enlist Barr's help. He really can't cancel the election because they are run by the states, and I think that would be even too far for Barr to be on board.

Remember what he said in 2016. "I'll accept the election results as long as we win."

When I think it can't get any worse, it always does!

Bettie

(16,129 posts)
8. I disagree about Barr not being on board with that
Wed May 13, 2020, 12:20 PM
May 2020

there is no bridge too far for that chunk of reptile excrement.

But, though they might try, recent events indicate that they aren't smart enough to deal with the logistics of getting states to cancel elections.

But, they could get red state governors to refuse to hold elections which could fuck the whole thing up. I know our governor does as she's told.

leftieNanner

(15,160 posts)
10. Red State Governors could be a problem
Wed May 13, 2020, 12:23 PM
May 2020

Although there are other races besides the Presidential one that they would like to run. The law says that current terms end when they end (Congress January 3, President January 20). State terms as well. So who knows what would happen!!

Trump is a dangerous idiot. Barr is just plain dangerous!

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
3. I think you are 100% right
Wed May 13, 2020, 12:16 PM
May 2020

He might make noise about delaying or canceling the election, but he can't because it is set by law.

But he certainly can say it was rigged, unfair, illegal, etc. after he loses and say he's not leaving office. Then it becomes a matter of dragging him out of the White House, which would happen.

GoCubsGo

(32,095 posts)
17. You took the words right out of my mouth.
Wed May 13, 2020, 01:09 PM
May 2020

I'll add that he can declare whatever the hell he wants. That doesn't mean it is going to change anything. Which it won't.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
5. He can't invalidate a state function.
Wed May 13, 2020, 12:17 PM
May 2020

Very few people know this, but states do not have to hold elections for president. Colorado, after admission into the Union in 1876, decided there was not time or money to hold an election that year. The state legislature voted on the slate of electors who would cast its 3 electoral votes. State legislatures still have that right.

If he tries to invalidate CA’s election, the state legislature would simply vote on the slate of electors for the state. They will be Dems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1876_United_States_presidential_election_in_Colorado

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,869 posts)
6. That's always been obvious. In 2016 he made it pretty clear that if he didn't win
Wed May 13, 2020, 12:17 PM
May 2020

he'd claim the election was "rigged." IIRC, even though he did win (the EC, that is), he still claimed it was rigged. But he doesn't have the power to throw out the votes from CA or do anything else about it.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
7. I think he may try to recruit the GOP majority states to delay if he thinks he is going to lose.
Wed May 13, 2020, 12:19 PM
May 2020

I don't think he can pull off cancelling even with the GOP backing him in some states.

I think you are right though, he bitched before he won that the last election had been fixed.

I could see him blaming and trying to declare it invalid. After all there is a conspiracy for everything.

I would love to see him dragged out of the WH and thrown into a limo, really would.

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
9. He doesn't have the power to do that, either.
Wed May 13, 2020, 12:22 PM
May 2020

States certify their own elections. Elections are not a federal function at all.

RussBLib

(9,037 posts)
11. he lies about everything
Wed May 13, 2020, 12:24 PM
May 2020

so to declare the election invalid would be just one more in the long, long string of lies.

sad thing is, the election may indeed be invalid, because no doubt many, many voters will be stricken from the rolls by the GOP.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,438 posts)
13. Probably more likely
Wed May 13, 2020, 12:25 PM
May 2020

but it's obviously not going to work if the numbers (i.e. evidence) don't support his claims. As corrupt as things are in some states, he doesn't necessarily have all election officials in 50 states in his back pocket and they won't just blindly back up his claims. If there's a close vote somewhere, there may be a recount or a challenge, but hopefully we win by such a huge margin that it won't be close enough to challenge. The biggest issue would probably be a Red state or Republican Senate that Biden (or a Democratic challenger) manages to flip by a close margin that he would focus on.

demigoddess

(6,645 posts)
14. he's started already. Remember, voting by mail is a way for
Wed May 13, 2020, 12:27 PM
May 2020

people to cheat. He will just repeat that a lot. They want people to show up in person so they can deny them and intimidate them and send them home.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,658 posts)
15. Walk me through this delusional scenario...
Wed May 13, 2020, 12:54 PM
May 2020

Exactly what concrete actions could Trump take?

He can’t stop individual Sec’s of State from certifying results, he can’t stop electors from casting their electoral votes according to their states’ laws, and he can’t stop Congress from certifying the results of the Electoral College.

The only thing Trump can do is rage tweet and try and sue in court to disrupt the process- anything else is fear based fantasy.
These kind of posts are borne out of anxiety, absent critical thinking.

mokawanis

(4,452 posts)
18. Exactly right
Wed May 13, 2020, 01:13 PM
May 2020

If he loses the election he can whine and rage on twitter and he can waste time and money with the courts but he'll no longer be president.

I just don't get why some people think he'll refuse to leave the white house and step aside for the newly elected president. He'll have no choice.

GoneOffShore

(17,341 posts)
20. This was part of a conversation I had today and made your points.
Wed May 13, 2020, 01:18 PM
May 2020

My friend who wrote this is Irish, lives in France, has a green card, and his kids have American passports.

These are extraordinary times my friend ... rules get usurped .... you can’t rely on what you know to be true today ...I wouldn’t count it out ... not with this fascist ☹️... he’s already dismantling all the institutions of democracy ( dept of justice is effectively gone , FBI & CIA are totally discredited) , he will be challenging term limits if ( when ?) he gets re-elected .... he likes the Russian system... he wants to be the Putin of the US .... he is actively working towards that ....

sarisataka

(18,779 posts)
16. You may be correct
Wed May 13, 2020, 12:58 PM
May 2020

In that he will think he can declare the election invalid.

He will find however, like his idea he could order states to open, he has no power or authority to do anything regarding the election.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
22. He will announce he "will not certify the election".
Wed May 13, 2020, 01:21 PM
May 2020

Of course, he has nothing to do with that. But expect his followers to believe he does, and cite fictional parts of the Constitution to claim he has the authority. Also expect the likes of Mark Levin and Candass Owens to claim it as well.

Squidly

(783 posts)
26. This is why im afraid it might get bloody
Wed May 13, 2020, 02:12 PM
May 2020

Theres enough nuts in his corner that might take to the streets. They dont stand a chance and many would run at the first sign if a SWAT team or National Guard, but there will be shots fired somewhere im sure.

In their mind they are patriots defending 'Murica'

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
24. With 90% Republican approval he'll want the election to happen.
Wed May 13, 2020, 02:09 PM
May 2020

As long as he can rig as much of it as he can and then fight any close elections. He will want a chance to win again.

And I’m sure it will be close. His approval rate with republicans is higher than ever, even with red state populations dying out. He is perhaps the most adored republican president of all time.

It’s clearly a cult mentality.

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