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I think that Trumps delusional state will cause him to believe that he will win regardless of what polls say, but if he fails to win, he will try and declare the election invalid (most likely by throwing out all votes from California).
Does that make sense or am I missing something.
Bryant
JHB
(37,162 posts)-- Donal J. Trump, Nov. 4, 2020
leftieNanner
(15,160 posts)And he will try to enlist Barr's help. He really can't cancel the election because they are run by the states, and I think that would be even too far for Barr to be on board.
Remember what he said in 2016. "I'll accept the election results as long as we win."
When I think it can't get any worse, it always does!
Bettie
(16,129 posts)there is no bridge too far for that chunk of reptile excrement.
But, though they might try, recent events indicate that they aren't smart enough to deal with the logistics of getting states to cancel elections.
But, they could get red state governors to refuse to hold elections which could fuck the whole thing up. I know our governor does as she's told.
leftieNanner
(15,160 posts)Although there are other races besides the Presidential one that they would like to run. The law says that current terms end when they end (Congress January 3, President January 20). State terms as well. So who knows what would happen!!
Trump is a dangerous idiot. Barr is just plain dangerous!
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)He might make noise about delaying or canceling the election, but he can't because it is set by law.
But he certainly can say it was rigged, unfair, illegal, etc. after he loses and say he's not leaving office. Then it becomes a matter of dragging him out of the White House, which would happen.
malaise
(269,187 posts)He is going to lose big time
GoCubsGo
(32,095 posts)I'll add that he can declare whatever the hell he wants. That doesn't mean it is going to change anything. Which it won't.
roamer65
(36,747 posts)Very few people know this, but states do not have to hold elections for president. Colorado, after admission into the Union in 1876, decided there was not time or money to hold an election that year. The state legislature voted on the slate of electors who would cast its 3 electoral votes. State legislatures still have that right.
If he tries to invalidate CAs election, the state legislature would simply vote on the slate of electors for the state. They will be Dems.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1876_United_States_presidential_election_in_Colorado
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,869 posts)he'd claim the election was "rigged." IIRC, even though he did win (the EC, that is), he still claimed it was rigged. But he doesn't have the power to throw out the votes from CA or do anything else about it.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)I don't think he can pull off cancelling even with the GOP backing him in some states.
I think you are right though, he bitched before he won that the last election had been fixed.
I could see him blaming and trying to declare it invalid. After all there is a conspiracy for everything.
I would love to see him dragged out of the WH and thrown into a limo, really would.
leftieNanner
(15,160 posts)Or paddy wagon.
MineralMan
(146,333 posts)States certify their own elections. Elections are not a federal function at all.
RussBLib
(9,037 posts)so to declare the election invalid would be just one more in the long, long string of lies.
sad thing is, the election may indeed be invalid, because no doubt many, many voters will be stricken from the rolls by the GOP.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,438 posts)but it's obviously not going to work if the numbers (i.e. evidence) don't support his claims. As corrupt as things are in some states, he doesn't necessarily have all election officials in 50 states in his back pocket and they won't just blindly back up his claims. If there's a close vote somewhere, there may be a recount or a challenge, but hopefully we win by such a huge margin that it won't be close enough to challenge. The biggest issue would probably be a Red state or Republican Senate that Biden (or a Democratic challenger) manages to flip by a close margin that he would focus on.
demigoddess
(6,645 posts)people to cheat. He will just repeat that a lot. They want people to show up in person so they can deny them and intimidate them and send them home.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,658 posts)Exactly what concrete actions could Trump take?
He cant stop individual Secs of State from certifying results, he cant stop electors from casting their electoral votes according to their states laws, and he cant stop Congress from certifying the results of the Electoral College.
The only thing Trump can do is rage tweet and try and sue in court to disrupt the process- anything else is fear based fantasy.
These kind of posts are borne out of anxiety, absent critical thinking.
mokawanis
(4,452 posts)If he loses the election he can whine and rage on twitter and he can waste time and money with the courts but he'll no longer be president.
I just don't get why some people think he'll refuse to leave the white house and step aside for the newly elected president. He'll have no choice.
GoneOffShore
(17,341 posts)My friend who wrote this is Irish, lives in France, has a green card, and his kids have American passports.
These are extraordinary times my friend ... rules get usurped .... you cant rely on what you know to be true today ...I wouldnt count it out ... not with this fascist ☹️... hes already dismantling all the institutions of democracy ( dept of justice is effectively gone , FBI & CIA are totally discredited) , he will be challenging term limits if ( when ?) he gets re-elected .... he likes the Russian system... he wants to be the Putin of the US .... he is actively working towards that ....
sarisataka
(18,779 posts)In that he will think he can declare the election invalid.
He will find however, like his idea he could order states to open, he has no power or authority to do anything regarding the election.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)Only Congress can, specifically the House.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Of course, he has nothing to do with that. But expect his followers to believe he does, and cite fictional parts of the Constitution to claim he has the authority. Also expect the likes of Mark Levin and Candass Owens to claim it as well.
Squidly
(783 posts)Theres enough nuts in his corner that might take to the streets. They dont stand a chance and many would run at the first sign if a SWAT team or National Guard, but there will be shots fired somewhere im sure.
In their mind they are patriots defending 'Murica'
dalton99a
(81,599 posts)Kablooie
(18,641 posts)As long as he can rig as much of it as he can and then fight any close elections. He will want a chance to win again.
And Im sure it will be close. His approval rate with republicans is higher than ever, even with red state populations dying out. He is perhaps the most adored republican president of all time.
Its clearly a cult mentality.