and people can't work, businesses failing . .

Children getting sick as well.

But some of the facts as they seem to be unfolding:

There are more of us than them.
Trump is asking "them" to take foolish life-and-death risks.
Many of "them" are taking these foolish life-and-death risks.

It seems to me like the pool of "them" will grow smaller at a faster rate than our pool of smarter, more cautious people. Now, unfortunately, this excludes the people who are forced back to work against their better judgment, or the pool of individuals in long-term living residences, who are in a terrible predicament, and I worry about them.

Also, as Trumpsters begin to lose family members and friends to this virus, or watch their lives destroyed by contracting it (and surviving), some may finally see what's happening here.

For me it keeps coming back to all of the dead and dying Americans, and that all the spin in the world can't hide a growing mountain of corpses, and this president's utter indifference to all the suffering and dying. The other thing you can't hide is an overwhelmed hospital system.

If that's a recipe for re-election then we are well and truly fucked.

I think the republicans get wiped off the map in November.

A recent election California was won by a Republican in a normally Democratic district because of low voter turnout by Democrats.

Katie Hill was the first Democrat to represent the district since 1992.

Stating this is absurdly disingenuous.

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Sorry - but just pointing out it's wrong to claim it as a Democratic district. It's not.

That's the distinction here.

Although it is encouraging that some districts throughout the nation have shown an increase in Democrats. The importance is that the information that I relied on interpreted it as of great concern if it could be a indicative of lower Democratic turnout that could be devastating. I believe that we can agree that there is a distinct divide in the Democrats, Independents and the Republicans belief in the seriousness of taking adequate precautions. The demonstrations against the protections were clearly dominated significantly by Republicans as made evident with their pro-Trump paraphernalia. I would like to know if the gatherings that ignored any precautions which have been shown on the media are predominated by Republicans.

I can only hope that this issue is given top priority by the party leadership if it can be determined that it could present a significant complication. The reelection of Trump could have far reaching and devastating consequences. I believe that we can count on a lockstep turnout by the Republicans and it must be met with determination to defeat their fascist dream of a virtual presidential dictatorship which could become a reality.

Let's make damn sure that it doesn't become a horrible reality. That is my concern.

That doesn't make it a Democratic district.

Romney won it in 2012. Bush won it in 2000 and 2004.

In 2012, Feinstein lost the district to Emken. Boxer lost it to Fiorina.

Just because it occasionally goes Democrat doesn't make it a Democratic district.

Case in point: Utah's 4th congressional district. It's currently served by a Democrat. It ain't no Democratic district, tho.

And it's pointless to point to one district, in the midst of a special election and pandemic, where turnout is certain to be lower than the general, as proof the Democrats are in trouble.

I see no one mentioning the fact in Wisconsin that the Democrat performed like ten-points better than the Democrat who ran in 2018 - and that was on top of the Supreme Court election there that handed a big win to the progressives.

Of that I have no doubt

Friends live there, and believe me it's no Dem district. Just the opposite.

Friends who were still mad at Hill, but chose not to punish Smith tell me that they voted for Smith. Some said others told them that they're still very mad at Hill who they said let thuglicans run her out of her seat, so they made the conscious decision to not vote this time, but to vote for the Dem this fall (Yeah, that wouldn't be me. I would stay mad at Hill, but vote for Smith). And finally my friend told me that Smith did not run too smooth of a race. She allowed the fool running against her to paint her in an extremely bad light for a long while, and by the time Smith chose to fight back, it was too late--the damage was done by the clown who thinks that tRump is going a great job of handling this /Coronavirus/pandemic, and he also believes that the ACA has reminents of socialism still attatched to it There's more but oh well, it's over now. Hopefully Dems don't keep making the mistake of allowing the party of putin (Formerly the GOP) define THEM before they define the putin/tRump lover/humper person FIRST, and stay attacking them with facts and truth.

But there is little supporting evidence and November is a long way away. We are already numbed to the number of deaths, I don't think that it will cause much of a stir when they exceed 100,000, or for that matter if we exceed 200,000 before the election. If we are at 150,000 dead in November, Trump will be exclaiming a great victory based on the fact that, without his "perfect leadership" we would be looking at 1,000,000 dead. His argument will resonate with his core. Keep in mind, that during the worst leadership crisis in American history, Trump's numbers are still competitive, a situation that I find mind boggling.

What will defeat Trump will be an attack on what he has tried to sell as his great achievement, the economy.

Economic issues will hit home with the undecided voters, who will decide the election, only when the small group in the middle are in jeopardy of losing their homes and going hungry. That is, to many people, a fate worse than death. I suspect that the Republicans will have a change of heart about further economic support for the working people around October and bless us with another check, taking some pressure off until after the elections. The Democrats would be forced into a Hobson's Choice, of supporting the Republican vote buying or appearing heartless. The combined power of the Presidency, the Senate and the Courts is frightening.

We may eek out a Presidential win, but, I predict it will be a close run thing, and that we will not wipe the Republicans off the map. The truth of the matter is that if we don't also win the Senate, and retain the house, then will reside in a Republican stalemate for the next four years. Biden would be able to be about as effective in advancing progressive issues as Carter was. Meanwhile we will watch our slow demise as the Senate continues to stack the courts with Fascists supporters.

I know that painting a dark picture is unpopular around here, but we are NOT out of the woods yet. We lost the last presidential election by being overconfident and complacent . If we make that mistake again, it will be fatal.

Biden will blow trump out of the water electorally.

Watch.

IS that tRump KNOWS he REALLY has to cheat to win this GE, and what kind of 'help' he gets this time around from HIS party of putin (Formerly the GOP), and from putin himself is frightening. Will putin mess with our electrical grid? Will he mess with voting machines even worse this time? We know the propaganda is flowing thick and heavy from Formerly the GOP but now putin party because they're really running with this nothing burger in Obamagatem since it 'appears' that the Hunter Biden crap might not stick to the walls enough (Even though they're still intending on investigating him and digging around for something), and the Tara Reade story of Biden raping her, or was it him invading her personal space, or was it him talking about how great her legs were 'seems' to be falling apart by the day now, becasue it fell completely apart by the house the week before last. She has no creibility because her story changed more times than the color of a rainbow, and the 14 year old who said that Biden told her she had nice big breasts at a certain event was not even AT the event--something about him coming home from the hospital to recoopoerate the director of the event said stopped him from attending the event.

So for now, the fat nothingburger of Obamagate it is says Faux Noose and those corporate types in the media.

anything he can do to win again. He is helped by not being constrained by laws, ethics or morals.

getting sick and dying is good, the repubs should be fine.

I guess.

And they may succeed, but it's not going to be as easy as it was before. I predict we'll be on wave three, possibly even wave four of this virus by November and by then there won't be anyone who doesn't know someone who's had this awful disease or who is financially ruined because of it.

They're in desperation mode over this thing because nothing they've said is sticking.
I think, quite the opposite, that they're more worried about being swarmed than by winning big.
Their strategy seems more to be "let's eke this one out".