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rachel1

(538 posts)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 04:39 PM Sep 2012

Anti-Islam film permit withheld by L.A. County officials over safety concerns

FBI and State Department concerns about public safety have prompted county officials to withhold a permit for an anti-Islam film produced by a Duarte nonprofit that's been blamed for sparking violent protests throughout the Muslim world.

The film "Innocence of Muslims," which is believed to have played a role in angry protests in Egypt and possibly a deadly assault on a U.S. Consulate in Libya, was produced by the Duarte-based Christian nonprofit Media for Christ.

The issuance of all film permits is handled by Film LA, on behalf of the County of Los Angeles.

While the permits are typically made available to the public online, the permit for the film "has been temporarily removed by Film L.A. and the county of Los Angeles, and is not being made available to the public at this time due to public safety concerns," a statement from the county of Los Angeles said.

"The Federal government has not issued an official request to the County of Los Angeles to remove the permit," the statement said.

http://www.sgvtribune.com/news/ci_21545052/anti-islam-film-permit-withheld-by-l-county

I hope his permit withholding is coupled with a fine, community service, or some jail time for intent to incite a riot and defamation.

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Anti-Islam film permit withheld by L.A. County officials over safety concerns (Original Post) rachel1 Sep 2012 OP
So you're for censorship? glacierbay Sep 2012 #1
You have the "right" to scream, "Fire" in a public place. IllinoisBirdWatcher Sep 2012 #2
Correct glacierbay Sep 2012 #6
I happen to belong to a "religion" that finds "scare quotes", "blasphemous" Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #17
Guess what atreides1 Sep 2012 #3
Ya, you can glacierbay Sep 2012 #8
you're giving yourself away with your poor spelling notadmblnd Sep 2012 #5
I tried to correct the spelling but my spell checker wouldn't work. glacierbay Sep 2012 #7
You can edit your post notadmblnd Sep 2012 #9
thanks nt. glacierbay Sep 2012 #11
Yeah, and you spelled "reprehensible" wrong. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #21
that poster is giving away what, specifically? And how? Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #20
More... notadmblnd Sep 2012 #4
I assume that the *information* about the permit is being withheld CJCRANE Sep 2012 #10
Exactly. The permit would contain more information about who is behind this film. Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #12
Ah...sort of ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #14
Stop, you're shitting all over the fanstasies of people who think they can retroactively censor this Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #19
Definition of inciting a riot. glacierbay Sep 2012 #13
Is this like carrying guns to a Presidential speech? Just wondering DainBramaged Sep 2012 #15
Not at all glacierbay Sep 2012 #23
So it's OK for you that people carry guns to a Presidential event? DainBramaged Sep 2012 #25
No, that's not what I said glacierbay Sep 2012 #26
Free speech for me, but not for thee. tritsofme Sep 2012 #16
Okay, one: we have this thing called the 1st Amendment. If you fantasize that "blasphemy" will be Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #18
Sounds like some County officials need to be fired Riftaxe Sep 2012 #22
Nice to see that you're willing for a fundy Muslim sect to dictate what our free speech rights are. MadHound Sep 2012 #24
 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
1. So you're for censorship?
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 04:44 PM
Sep 2012

Because you don't agree with the message, however vile it may be?
Would you say the same about the KKK? The Illinois Nazi's?
After all, they are preaching hate speech.
The bottom line is that we have a 1st amend. right in this country and govt. shouldn't be banning speech, temp. or not, because they think it's a detriment to the people.
If the people think is reprehensible, then they won't go to watch, let the people decide.

IllinoisBirdWatcher

(2,315 posts)
2. You have the "right" to scream, "Fire" in a public place.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 04:51 PM
Sep 2012

You also have the right to go to jail for doing so.

 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
6. Correct
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 04:55 PM
Sep 2012

but the video is not calling for a riot. Do you think that the KKK or Racist groups should not have the right to spew their crap in public?
Do you think that the govt should put them in jail for their opinions expressed in public?
If so, where does it stop.
This is, IMO, a very slippery slope that we don't want to go down.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
17. I happen to belong to a "religion" that finds "scare quotes", "blasphemous"
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:41 PM
Sep 2012

therefore, "you" have just offended my "religion" and are "guilty" of "inciting" a "riot".

I "hope" "you" "enjoy" "prison"

atreides1

(16,079 posts)
3. Guess what
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 04:52 PM
Sep 2012

We already have censorship...you can't show a bare nipple on TV...but you can show someone's ass...we have a rating system for movies, video games, and music on CD!


Censorship already exists...where have you been?

 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
7. I tried to correct the spelling but my spell checker wouldn't work.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 04:57 PM
Sep 2012

sorry about that.
Giving myself away how?

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
4. More...
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 04:52 PM
Sep 2012

– The LA Times reports that Media for Christ obtained filming permits for the movie in August 2011, and Nakoula provided his Cerritos home as a set and paid the actors. Police have visited Media for Christ, according to The Guardian. The filming permit has been temporarily removed from an online database amid safety concerns raised by the FBI and the State Department. Film LA president Paul Audley also told Bloomberg the film was shot at Blue Cloud Movie Ranch in Santa Clarita.

– Another man, Steve Klein, told CNN he worked with Bacile on the movie vetting the script. As a result of his connection, Klein has become a spokesman of sorts and has given a stream of interviews. Klein is an insurance agent and self-described militant Christian activist who resides in Hemet, CA.

– There are accounts of the film being screened in June under the name Innocence Of Bin Laden. According to Klein, Nakoula wanted to give it a title that would draw in and then trick “hardcore Muslims” into watching a movie that slammed Islam. But according to Klein, no tickets were sold and Nakoula was “crushed,” the AP said. Klein told The Times “felt great” about consulting on the film.

– According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, Klein founded Courageous Christians United, which conducts protests outside abortion clinics, Mormon temples and mosques, and started Concerned Citizens for the First Amendment, which preaches against Muslims and publishes anti-Muslim propaganda.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/latest-on-the-anti-muslim-filmmakers-that-sparked-mid-east-violence/#more-335162

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
10. I assume that the *information* about the permit is being withheld
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:08 PM
Sep 2012

and that the permit was previously granted to the film maker.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
12. Exactly. The permit would contain more information about who is behind this film.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:18 PM
Sep 2012

And we are being kept in the dark.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
14. Ah...sort of
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:30 PM
Sep 2012

There is next to no vetting of the permits. Given the amount of pseudonyms in use, I don't expect much from the permit

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
19. Stop, you're shitting all over the fanstasies of people who think they can retroactively censor this
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:48 PM
Sep 2012

crap "film", via time travel or some such ludicrous shit.

 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
13. Definition of inciting a riot.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:26 PM
Sep 2012

According to 18 USCS § 2102 "to incite a riot", or "to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot", includes, but is not limited to, urging or instigating other persons to riot, but shall not be deemed to mean the mere oral or written (1) advocacy of ideas or (2) expression of belief, not involving advocacy of any act or acts of violence or assertion of the rightness of, or the right to commit, any such act or acts.”

http://definitions.uslegal.com/i/incite-a-riot/

This film does not incite a riot by legal standards.

 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
23. Not at all
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 10:43 AM
Sep 2012

carrying firearms to a Pres. event is not inciting a riot. The city I am employed in as a cop is both open carry and concealed carry, I don't have a problem with it, matter of fact, I support citizen's being able to legally carry firearms if they are qualified by the standards set by the state.
I've worked with the Secret Service when President's have visited my city and I can assure you that anyone carrying a firearm is not allowed at the actual event. The SS can and do set up a security perimeter and these guys don't mess around at all.
Even someone with a firearm outside of the venue is very closely watched by LE.

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
25. So it's OK for you that people carry guns to a Presidential event?
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:52 AM
Sep 2012

I am truly amazed by that.


Have a nice day.

 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
26. No, that's not what I said
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 12:06 PM
Sep 2012

I have no problem with citizens right to carry.
I do object to citizens being able to carry a firearm into the venue, outside of the building, no problem, they won't have access to the Pres. and even though they are outside of the building, they will be watched like a hawk.
Now, at an outside venue, the SS are well within their right to set up a security perimeter that bans all dangerous weapons except for LE and believe me, the SS are very, very good at what they do.
I hope that clarifies it for you.
You have a good day also.

tritsofme

(17,379 posts)
16. Free speech for me, but not for thee.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:38 PM
Sep 2012

Seems to have become conventional wisdom around here.

Speech restrictionists scare me a lot more than some crappy movie on YouTube.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
18. Okay, one: we have this thing called the 1st Amendment. If you fantasize that "blasphemy" will be
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:46 PM
Sep 2012

punished by the law, you're in the wrong place.

Two, the OP is totally misleading. The permit was a one day permit, the 'film' (such as it appears to be) was already shot (looks like it was shot in some dude's garage, with a blue screen over some stock desert footage), and so THE PERMIT WAS ALREADY ISSUED. The donkey has left the barn.

What is being "withheld" is the online release of the public information about the permit, probably because of the danger that violent nutjobs might use that information to go after people involved with the making of this low budget turd.

Riftaxe

(2,693 posts)
22. Sounds like some County officials need to be fired
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 06:10 PM
Sep 2012

and held responsible for the legal liability they have created for the state of California...

The last thing these people need is more money, however; if the story as reported in the short article is true it would seem they have just been guaranteed a sizable amount of it.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
24. Nice to see that you're willing for a fundy Muslim sect to dictate what our free speech rights are.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 10:49 AM
Sep 2012

This film wasn't an incitement to riot. That lies with the fundy sect leaders in Libya and elsewhere, who whipped up people who hadn't even seen the trailer into a frothy religious fury. Defamation, really? I suppose you would also punish the makers of "The Last Temptation of Christ" or "Piss Christ" on the same basis.

I guess you are willing to throw away our First Amendment in order to placate religious fundies of all stripes. I'm glad you will never be in a position of such power.

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