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Bucky

(54,020 posts)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:21 PM Sep 2012

I think Mitt felt threatened by Obama's slight gaffe about Egypt not being an ally, and so...

...and so immediately he went out and announced that Americans in the top quintile of income earners are somehow "middle class," just to up the gaffe-ante. Damn you, Mitt Romney, some day the president will catch up to your stupidity tally!

But seriously, to be fair, from way up there in the billions, suckers making a mere quarter mil probably do look like the hoi polloi.

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Attention all would-be defenders: Save your electrons. I cry nolo contendere. As a matter of legalities among nations, alliances do not end with changes of government. When the president has to be factually corrected, as seen here, it may not be a gaffe, but it is something other than the truth. And that was my little joke about Mittens having to rush out and up the ante on who can say the most wrong things. Repeat, "little joke."

I love you all, my little Francises, but let's lighten up, okay?

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I think Mitt felt threatened by Obama's slight gaffe about Egypt not being an ally, and so... (Original Post) Bucky Sep 2012 OP
Not convinced Obama's statement on Egypt was a gaffe justiceischeap Sep 2012 #1
Egypt is an ally. That's not up for interpretation. It's a fact. Bucky Sep 2012 #3
not an ally. GusFring Sep 2012 #6
I thought it was just a message to the new government Incitatus Sep 2012 #11
Actually, it was scarier than that. aquart Sep 2012 #23
My interpretation of the President rock Sep 2012 #13
Here: ProSense Sep 2012 #14
Show me the treaty. We were pals with Mubarak. He's gone. aquart Sep 2012 #21
What gaffe? DURHAM D Sep 2012 #2
Sigh, the one where he said something that was not technically true. Bucky Sep 2012 #4
IOW, we have NO written alliance with Egypt. aquart Sep 2012 #12
"The one where he said something that was not technically true." rock Sep 2012 #20
We didn't have longstanding relationship with a Govt that is just being formed. julian09 Sep 2012 #24
It wasn't a gaffe. It was a threat. aquart Sep 2012 #5
Interesting interpretation. Bucky Sep 2012 #8
What facts? aquart Sep 2012 #16
EXACTLY. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #19
Interesting point. nt avebury Sep 2012 #30
It was no gaffe EC Sep 2012 #7
Gaffe? n/t malaise Sep 2012 #9
i didnt know obamas statement was considered a gaffe. i see it as a measured comment. and reality seabeyond Sep 2012 #10
It was not considered a gaffe. aquart Sep 2012 #15
that is how i saw it. i thought very clear, and very good. nt seabeyond Sep 2012 #18
I would agree with that. nt avebury Sep 2012 #31
Obama should call out the REAL enemy of America... BanTheGOP Sep 2012 #17
Yes! "American values are under attack by those who would destroy our Middle Class." ETC.! WinkyDink Sep 2012 #22
Damnit, I made a whole new topic on this State dept woman by accident. GusFring Sep 2012 #25
Do you plan to vote for Obama? DURHAM D Sep 2012 #27
do you plan on following me around all day? The fuck are you talking about? GusFring Sep 2012 #28
(Psst--It's only McCarthyism when *Republicans* do it) Bucky Sep 2012 #29
i didn't see it as a gaffe, to me it showed this man has a good understand JI7 Sep 2012 #26
Not an Ally? brush Sep 2012 #32

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
1. Not convinced Obama's statement on Egypt was a gaffe
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:23 PM
Sep 2012

The Egyptian president called for MORE riots, it would make sense to me that after doing that, the US would have to question whether Egypt is an ally or not.

Bucky

(54,020 posts)
3. Egypt is an ally. That's not up for interpretation. It's a fact.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:30 PM
Sep 2012

Follow the link if you doubt. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2202959/State-Department-corrects-Obama-Mr-President-Egypt-IS-American-ally.html

But at the State Department briefing, spokeswoman Victoria Nuland, who was clearly squirming, was forced to declare that Obama was wrong.

Initially, she tried to hew to the White House talking points, saying: 'Well, obviously for parsing of the President’s comments, I’m going to send you to the White House.

'But as a matter of fact and practice, the word ally generally is used with a treaty ally, which is a different matter than the fact that we have a very close and longstanding partnership with the government of Egypt, and we are working together to support their democratic transition.'


They're not a particularly good ally at this moment, but alliances don't come and go during tiffs.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
23. Actually, it was scarier than that.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:47 PM
Sep 2012

Egypt got off its butt almost immediately. The lag was how long it took to sink in.

rock

(13,218 posts)
13. My interpretation of the President
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:37 PM
Sep 2012

is that he was making a distinction between "called" and "being." Or to put in the old cliche: with friends like that who needs enemies?

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
14. Here:
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:39 PM
Sep 2012
<...>

White House spokesman Tommy Vietor told The Cable Thursday that the administration is not signaling a change in that status.

"I think folks are reading way too much into this," Vietor said. "‘Ally' is a legal term of art. We don't have a mutual defense treaty with Egypt like we do with our NATO allies. But as the president has said, Egypt is longstanding and close partner of the United States, and we have built on that foundation by supporting Egypt's transition to democracy and working with the new government."

Vietor referred to Obama's Wednesday phone call with Mohamed Morsy, during which Obama pressed the Egyptian president to ensure the safety and protection of U.S. personnel and facilities in Egypt. Morsy agreed to do so, according to a White House statement on the phone call.

"The President said that he rejects efforts to denigrate Islam, but underscored that there is never any justification for violence against innocents and acts that endanger American personnel and facilities," the statement said. "President Morsi expressed his condolences for the tragic loss of American life in Libya and emphasized that Egypt would honor its obligation to ensure the safety of American personnel."

- more -

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/09/13/white_house_clarifies_obama_s_statement_that_egypt_is_not_an_ally


Muslim Brotherhood Offers Condolences
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/13/1131619/-Muslism-Brotherhood-Offers-Condolences


aquart

(69,014 posts)
21. Show me the treaty. We were pals with Mubarak. He's gone.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:44 PM
Sep 2012

You really have no idea how earthshaking Obama's comment was, do you? Should have been watching Rachel. She got it in one.

Bucky

(54,020 posts)
4. Sigh, the one where he said something that was not technically true.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:31 PM
Sep 2012

But at the State Department briefing, spokeswoman Victoria Nuland, who was clearly squirming, was forced to declare that Obama was wrong.

Initially, she tried to hew to the White House talking points, saying: 'Well, obviously for parsing of the President’s comments, I’m going to send you to the White House.

'But as a matter of fact and practice, the word ally generally is used with a treaty ally, which is a different matter than the fact that we have a very close and longstanding partnership with the government of Egypt, and we are working together to support their democratic transition.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2202959/State-Department-corrects-Obama-Mr-President-Egypt-IS-American-ally.html

aquart

(69,014 posts)
12. IOW, we have NO written alliance with Egypt.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:37 PM
Sep 2012

We can take our money and go home anytime we want. She wasn't contradicting Obama. We've been there for them SO FAR. Ball's in their court.

rock

(13,218 posts)
20. "The one where he said something that was not technically true."
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:43 PM
Sep 2012

Could be sarcasm/irony.

Note: not the same if Mitt said it. He doesn't understand the distinction in lying, being truthful, sarcasm, and irony. He just says words he thinks sound real good.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
5. It wasn't a gaffe. It was a threat.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:33 PM
Sep 2012

It shook the hell out of the Egyptian leadership.

At that level of power, you don't have to raise your voice or be impolite to terrify.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
10. i didnt know obamas statement was considered a gaffe. i see it as a measured comment. and reality
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:35 PM
Sep 2012

a new govt..... i think they need time to prove they are an ally and to say anything else is irrespnsible

aquart

(69,014 posts)
15. It was not considered a gaffe.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:39 PM
Sep 2012

Rachel went wide-eyed when she heard it.

Very polite, offhand threat, but a threat nonetheless.

 

BanTheGOP

(1,068 posts)
17. Obama should call out the REAL enemy of America...
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:40 PM
Sep 2012

Yes, I'm talking about the republican Party. He should be putting out the truth with regard to world istability, and how it's all caused by the American republican's Party lust for power, control, and wealth, at the expense of the vast majority of the world's poor. This should be his ONE MAIN TALKING POINT. If he puts the blame where it belongs, then it will be easier for others to see who is truly to blame, and the problems will be solved faster.

 

GusFring

(756 posts)
25. Damnit, I made a whole new topic on this State dept woman by accident.
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:49 PM
Sep 2012

Anyway, she should be fired

 

GusFring

(756 posts)
28. do you plan on following me around all day? The fuck are you talking about?
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 06:07 PM
Sep 2012

I think you're a Palin voter. You probably will write her name in.

Bucky

(54,020 posts)
29. (Psst--It's only McCarthyism when *Republicans* do it)
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 06:27 PM
Sep 2012

Ha ha. You really stepped in it. Don't expend effort conversing with those who don't want a conversation.

JI7

(89,251 posts)
26. i didn't see it as a gaffe, to me it showed this man has a good understand
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 05:53 PM
Sep 2012

of foreign policy. it's not all one or the other, black/white .

he said not an ally, but not an enemy either.

brush

(53,784 posts)
32. Not an Ally?
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 07:37 PM
Sep 2012

I saw the president's answer about whether Egypt was an ally and he, in my opinion, answered quite correctly that Egypt has a new government and we were waiting to see whether they were or were not an ally. It would have been foolish of him to say they were an ally and then watch the new government come out with a staunch anti-American stance. I would say it was also a subtle but not so subtle message to the new Egyptian government that if you want to continue getting the billions in aid and protect from us you better protect out people and embassy from radical thugs, In other words, act like an ally.

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