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Democrats and Never-Trumpers gaming out doomsday scenarios if president refuses to leave office: reportAccording to a report in the New York Times, Democratic strategists and Never-Trumper conservatives fear Donald Trump will refuse to leave office should he lose in November and are making plans and figuring out their legal options should such an unprecedented state of affairs come to pass.
The report, by the Times Reid Epstein, begins with one such possible scenario.
In October, President Trump declares a state of emergency in major cities in battleground states, like Milwaukee and Detroit, banning polling places from opening. A week before the election, Attorney General William P. Barr announces a criminal investigation into the Democratic presidential nominee, Joseph R. Biden Jr, he suggested. After Mr. Biden wins a narrow Electoral College victory, Mr. Trump refuses to accept the results, wont leave the White House and declines to allow the Biden transition team customary access to agencies before the Jan. 20 inauguration.
Admitting that his suggestion sounds far-fetched, he added, Not to a group of worst-case scenario planners mostly Democrats, but some anti-Trump Republicans as well who have been gaming out various doomsday options for the 2020 presidential election:
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/democrats-and-never-trumpers-gaming-out-doomsday-scenarios-if-president-refuses-to-leave-office-report/
pwb
(11,292 posts).
UCmeNdc
(9,601 posts)Never say never!
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,869 posts)at that point he will have become a private citizen who's trespassing on government property, and the federal marshals can drag his fat orange butt right out of there.
mitch96
(13,926 posts)Just spit my vino all over the screen!!! I love picturesque speech!!
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Amishman
(5,559 posts)Let's face it, we are powerless in that situation. Protests, rallies, and other forms of peaceful activism only works on a cooperative opponent.
If we need to rely on force, we may be disappointed. Most law enforcement and military want to collect their pay check and stay safe. The minority willing to put their lives in the line for beliefs likely trend conservative.
Let's just hope it doesn't come to that.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)procedure.
Says the military hates him.
He would know
Ragin' Ca-gen
jmowreader
(50,563 posts)But after what Trump did to their fine captain, I am pretty sure that not only would the entire ships compliment volunteer to help remove Trump et cie from the White House, theyd allow the Secret Service to use their ship for the mass keelhauling that must follow.
pecosbob
(7,544 posts)Typically seventy or eighty Marines are stationed aboard as security for 'special' munitions and as a general security force.
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no_hypocrisy
(46,202 posts)instead of letting it happen.
I'm certain Biden has attorneys already drafting legal memoranda on this very matter.
BigmanPigman
(51,632 posts)I had this conversation just last night with a fellow Dem.
Dear Leader, the GOP and Putin will pull all kinds of shit before Inauguration Day. They will do anything and everything to stay in power. tRump knows he is going to jail when he leaves office and he does not want that to happen. He is extremely dangerous and will become even worse. Be ready.
mucifer
(23,571 posts)dmr
(28,349 posts)This is what we hear each and every Inaugural Day.
The beauty of our Constitution.
If Trump attempts to betray this, he'll be escorted out. If he squawks, then frog-marched in handcuffs ... kicking and screaming, I don't care. He will be a trespasser with no more rights than the average John Doe.
The White House is not his. It is the People's House - yours and mine.
If they try to pull a stunt in October, it won't work.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)If we have to storm the white house then so be it.
But he will be evicted either peaceably or forcefully.
BigmanPigman
(51,632 posts)and millions stormed the streets. I imagine that event would be eclipsed by the crowds going to DC to remove him.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)If he signals he isnt leaving then millions upon millions will go and even if his gun toting mouth breathers also decide to show we will bring our guns if we have to.
But he is coming out of there either by the SS or the federal marshals or by a million people storming the gates.
But he wont be there one day past his term.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)Myself.
However if anyone in Harford county Maryland could help with transportation to and from wherever it is. I'd be glad to go to a protest,make a sign and scream about it with whatever others are going out there to scream about it too.
I have risk factors making me vulnerable to covid, but I don't care because I can't live in a neoliberal dictatorship without my consience and moral/ ethical compass on fire and every fiber of my being going mad wanting it to be destroyed.
Trump would be hated with the heat of 100 trillion blue star sun's.
I'd be willing to hookup via zoom or in person with others to brainstorm about what to do about it.
I don't want to be useless
When it comes to fighting for our country,should trump try to be a dicktator
Emphasis on dick..
Doodley
(9,132 posts)We need a campaign NOW to show what Trump/GOP is doing to try to disenfranchise voters and undermine the election result. It should be part of the Democrat strategy to point out that the GOP want to win by cheating. Then it is harder for GOP to implement if they are being exposed every step of the way.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)enough people in this country who are willing to tear up the Constitution for Donald.
The states come up with the electors. Nothing so far says how the states come up with electors, and for years the legislatures did it. They can do it again.
And at this point nothing says they have to vote for whom they pledged, although that's been before the Supremes already, and will be again. Pressure on a few electors could change things. And since the 22(?) amendment, the election is certified by the incoming Congress not the outgoing one. Think about that for a minute.
Without another civil war, it seems to me that we have enough support within all three branches of government to frog march the present lump out of the White House if he doesn't get certified by Inauguration Day.
Ain't no emergency bad enough to keep this one in office.
Chainfire
(17,644 posts)but, since we are hypothesizing, I would suggest that such an action would clearly be an illegal overthrow of the Government, and a direct attack on the Constitution. I would feel that, in order to fulfill the oath that I took as a young man, and that I never rescinded, I would feel obligated to grab my pitchfork and head to the streets. I am too old to be a good soldier, but I am too young to become a good slave.
struggle4progress
(118,356 posts)consent to it hundreds or thousands of times daily in the course of their ordinary lives
Such an act would qualify as treason
Who's would consent to this? Any judge or politician who goes along with it would be in violation of their oath of office
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Warpy
(111,358 posts)about how the election was stolen from His People.
However, he will be removed from the White House. I hope it's trussed up and on a refrigerator dolly with cameras rolling, to be loaded onto a chopper like a big sack of manure and taken to wherever his private plane is.
RichardRay
(2,611 posts)... as the Secret Service and the White House staff give him a classic bums rush.
They dont like him.
pecosbob
(7,544 posts)and the formation of a new military command in the area, the Joint Task Force National Capital Region (JTF-NCR). I assumed at the time that it was in preparation for casualties from COVID-19 or possible evacuation of the capitol, but you never know.
https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-washington-dc-faces-coronavirus-spike-secret-military-task-force-prepares-secure-1498276
Kaleva
(36,354 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)as of 12 noon on January 20th he is no longer President. That is the law.
sarisataka
(18,779 posts)To point where in the Constitution or law a President has the choice to remain in office after being defeated.
roamer65
(36,747 posts)The states are the ones who hold it.
Lets chill right now and take it day by day.
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Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Cross that bridge when we get to it?
Just maybe he resigns due to health failing in July?
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,369 posts)If he loses the election and refuses to move out of the White House, I'm making popcorn.
Kaleva
(36,354 posts)mercuryblues
(14,543 posts)I have a plan. The best plan. Many very important people like this.
This house is in Dallas. A rally event will get him out of the real white house. When it is time to go back to the real WH, just deliver him here instead.
There are also replicas in McLean VA and Atlanta if this one isn't available.
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dware
(12,449 posts)it will be the US Marshals Service along with the Secret Service who will gladly get rid of the trash and then fumigate the WH.
dware
(12,449 posts)leaving or stopping the election.
1. He can't stop the election, those are state run.
2. On Jan. 20, 2021, at 12:00 noon, he becomes a private citizen and if he refuses to leave, he will be trespassing and the Secret Service, along with the US Marshals Service will remove him willingly or unwillingly, but remove him they will.