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Music Man

(1,184 posts)
Fri May 29, 2020, 09:17 PM May 2020

Pros and cons of Val Demings on the ticket? What have recent events done to her stock?

At the outset, let me say that Biden will not base his VP pick on this event alone. He won't shift with the wind like that. But recent events in Minneapolis and elsewhere may shape the calculus of this election and what the country wants and needs, and thus the VP selection.

Pros: She's a female, African-American police officer who can speak to both sides of race and law enforcement. She's an excellent speaker, served admirably as an impeachment manager, and comes from the swing state of Florida. Her smarts and political savvy make it clear that her selection would not be tokenism.

Cons: Her time as chief of Orlando police was not without controversy. It received multiple charges of excessive force by police. Many voters may not buy her as a reformer of police procedures. Above all, there's a certain part of me that sees her as untested. I've never seen her debate. And winning a House race (only twice) is no indication of statewide success. Her selection doesn't mean Florida automatically comes along too. Paul Ryan didn't help Romney win Wisconsin. Even Senator John Edwards didn't help us win North Carolina. On the other hand, Joe Biden (who hailed from the very safe, three-electoral vote state of Delaware) helped Obama win a landslide. Geography seems to matter less than overarching narratives the ticket is able to create.

Thoughts? I am very impressed by Rep. Demings. I'd be interested what local Floridians have to say about her reputation.

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Pros and cons of Val Demings on the ticket? What have recent events done to her stock? (Original Post) Music Man May 2020 OP
She is an impressive rising star calguy May 2020 #1
I would say in my mind the most ready is Warren Tribetime May 2020 #2
warren is the most ready, will bring the most votes and will be a great helpmate to biden questionseverything May 2020 #4
Warren is definitely qualified, calguy May 2020 #7
i would support harris for ag but not for vp questionseverything May 2020 #9
I'll support whoever Joe picks calguy May 2020 #10
i will vote blue no matter who, was just saying my preferences questionseverything May 2020 #11
Absolutely. Me too. calguy May 2020 #12
part of my reason for warren is she will bring so many young voters questionseverything May 2020 #13
I tend to agree. Music Man May 2020 #3
Experience doesn't matter Trumpocalypse May 2020 #16
Why Would Biden Pick Demings Over Harris, A More Experienced Politician With DC Experience? Indykatie May 2020 #5
Demings and Harris have been in Congress for the same amount of time Trumpocalypse May 2020 #14
It's worth pointing out that Demings won in a District that was redrawn to favor Democrats. Music Man May 2020 #19
Still won an election in Florida Trumpocalypse May 2020 #22
I saw her tonight on Rachael. Polly Hennessey May 2020 #6
I agree 100% calguy May 2020 #8
Actually she's in her second term Trumpocalypse May 2020 #15
Agree, she was too flat, not inspiring at this critical time flamingdem May 2020 #18
Biden helped to shore up Pennsylvania Trumpocalypse May 2020 #17
Con: she's a Congresswoman with limited notability... brooklynite May 2020 #20
What wrong with being a Congresswoman? Trumpocalypse May 2020 #21
None of them were on a Presidential ticket brooklynite May 2020 #23
So? Trumpocalypse May 2020 #24
Yes it is... brooklynite May 2020 #25
Nor do Senators who win in solid blue states Trumpocalypse May 2020 #26
Yes, which is why Warren isn't a good choice either brooklynite May 2020 #27
Agreed Trumpocalypse May 2020 #28
My personal choice would be Governor Whitmer brooklynite May 2020 #29
Not sure an all white ticket is the right choice at the moment Trumpocalypse May 2020 #31
Con, need youth to counter Joe's age krawhitham May 2020 #30
That's a GOP talking point Trumpocalypse May 2020 #32
No its political reality. former9thward May 2020 #33
It's a talking point that only helps Trump Trumpocalypse May 2020 #35
Not a GOP talking point, they have a 73 year old and a 60 year old on the ticket krawhitham May 2020 #34
Yes it is Trumpocalypse May 2020 #36
I don't think I want *anyone* with Lars39 May 2020 #37

calguy

(5,318 posts)
1. She is an impressive rising star
Fri May 29, 2020, 09:46 PM
May 2020

But the bottom line is she is not at this point qualified to be president. That should be the first consideration for anyone to be on the ticket.

calguy

(5,318 posts)
7. Warren is definitely qualified,
Sat May 30, 2020, 12:00 AM
May 2020

However we give up a Senate seat if she's on the ticket. And her age is also a factor, given Biden's age. Kamala would bring a fiery attack dog element to the ticket that Biden is a bit lacking. She would tear Mike Pense a new hole in a debate. I'd rather see her as the next AG, but in my mind she has to be in the very top tier of choices. I trust Joe and his advisors will take their time and make the best choice as they see fit.

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
13. part of my reason for warren is she will bring so many young voters
Sat May 30, 2020, 09:21 PM
May 2020

I think probably 90% of the Bernie voters, which we need

she is wicked smart and always has a plan

I personally never want cops /prosecutors for executive offices...they are ok in the senate or cabinet positions but in general I think cops are bad...even the ones not doing the super evil shit are covering it up (as recent events have shown) and the prosecutor is just the top cop....more concerned with their convict record than justice

and don't even start me on how evil police unions are

Music Man

(1,184 posts)
3. I tend to agree.
Fri May 29, 2020, 09:54 PM
May 2020

I trust Biden to make that determination, but presidential readiness should indeed be the ultimate determiner. I think Demings is brilliant and impressive, but I'm not sure we have evidence that she is ready to be a 78-year-old's heartbeat away from the presidency. She *could* be for all we know, but that's based on some faith right now.

Biden will have to convincingly answer the question, "Why specifically Demings and not Harris/Warren/Abrams, etc.?"

Indykatie

(3,697 posts)
5. Why Would Biden Pick Demings Over Harris, A More Experienced Politician With DC Experience?
Fri May 29, 2020, 11:03 PM
May 2020

I don't think her previous law enforcement experience is a huge selling point in this environment.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
14. Demings and Harris have been in Congress for the same amount of time
Sat May 30, 2020, 10:05 PM
May 2020

Demings also flipped a long held GOP seat while Harris won in a deep blue state. And Demings has the advantage of never accusing Biden of being a racist on national television.

Music Man

(1,184 posts)
19. It's worth pointing out that Demings won in a District that was redrawn to favor Democrats.
Sat May 30, 2020, 11:48 PM
May 2020

I wouldn't extrapolate much from her victories there. After all, she lost a general election in 2012 prior to the change. And in 2014 she did not make it through the primaries in the mayoral race.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
22. Still won an election in Florida
Sun May 31, 2020, 12:02 AM
May 2020

Which is more than any of the other VP candidates have done in a key swing state.

Polly Hennessey

(6,799 posts)
6. I saw her tonight on Rachael.
Fri May 29, 2020, 11:23 PM
May 2020

I was not impressed. Her answers to Rachael seemed formulaic and passionless. I almost knew what she would say before she said it. I am not a fan of Kamala Harris but she would make a better VP than Val Demings. Something was off at least for me after listening to V. Demings.

calguy

(5,318 posts)
8. I agree 100%
Sat May 30, 2020, 12:05 AM
May 2020

She's a brilliant person with a bright future. I thought she was brilliant as a member of the impeachment team. But as a first term member of Congress, she needs a few more years to hone her skills, gain more national exposure, and build her resume.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
15. Actually she's in her second term
Sat May 30, 2020, 10:07 PM
May 2020

She was elected in 16, not 18. She flipped a long held GOP seat.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
17. Biden helped to shore up Pennsylvania
Sat May 30, 2020, 10:13 PM
May 2020

which the Obama campaign was worried about at the time. Not the only reason he was picked but definitely part of the consideration.

brooklynite

(94,624 posts)
20. Con: she's a Congresswoman with limited notability...
Sat May 30, 2020, 11:54 PM
May 2020

...there's no data that shows she'd be popular Statewide in Florida, and outside of that, she doesn't seem to have any specific appeal except among the Democratic base.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
21. What wrong with being a Congresswoman?
Sun May 31, 2020, 12:01 AM
May 2020

Nancy Pelosi is a Congresswoman.
Maxine Waters is a Congresswoman.
Barbara Jordan was a Congresswoman.
Bella Abzug was a Congresswoman.
There is no difference being in the House versus being in the Senate. They deal with the same issues and vote on the same bills.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
24. So?
Sun May 31, 2020, 12:42 AM
May 2020

That’s not the point. Experience in the Senate is in no way superior than experience in the House.

brooklynite

(94,624 posts)
25. Yes it is...
Sun May 31, 2020, 12:46 AM
May 2020

A Senator has to at least run Statewide. A Congresswoman from a D+11 District shows no ability to attract Moderate Independents in the key Battleground States.

FWIW - I'm not putting my money on a Senator either.

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