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mn9driver

(4,426 posts)
Sat May 30, 2020, 11:06 AM May 2020

Let's break down what the mayors and the governor of Minnesota are saying.

1. Outside instigators have poured into Minneapolis. These people are not protesting, they are using the protesters as a shield. 80 percent of the rioters last night were not from Minnesota. Nearly all of the arrests were not Minnesotans.

2. Their express purpose is destruction and incitement. They are using professional techniques and are in communication with and coordinating with each other in real time all over the city during the arsons and looting.

3. They will not be deterred by the curfew tonight. There will be violence again.

4. If you are on the street after curfew tonight, you are aiding and abetting them. Take this seriously. The situation is getting very dangerous.

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Let's break down what the mayors and the governor of Minnesota are saying. (Original Post) mn9driver May 2020 OP
Keep this at the top of DU. scarletlib May 2020 #1
That news conference mercuryblues May 2020 #2
+1, I wouldn't doubt Trump is behind this shit uponit7771 May 2020 #4
Which one? The Minnesota governor? Nt lostnfound May 2020 #9
K&R, uponit7771 May 2020 #3
MN National Guard will be "fully mobilized", whatever that means Baclava May 2020 #5
I believe it means that every active guard member will be in uniform tonight mn9driver May 2020 #7
He just said "activate more than 1000 more, and consider asking for federal help" Baclava May 2020 #10
Thanks for this nt Sunsky May 2020 #6
I wonder how much of this is Trump and Barr involved in. katmondoo May 2020 #8
Dump and white supremacist minions. roamer65 May 2020 #12
Steve bannon too! Thekaspervote May 2020 #16
Kick! Raster May 2020 #11
Youth must not cave to provocateurs, bad guys who set them up to be the 'bad guys'. ancianita May 2020 #13
Just a coincidence... rationalcalgarian May 2020 #40
Yep, same coincidence as the fake Eastern Ukrainian military that Putin's military tried to ancianita May 2020 #42
K&R!!! 2naSalit May 2020 #14
We have a lot of those people across the border in Wisconsin. CaptYossarian May 2020 #15
Or Kim Reynolds as we here in Iowa have the misfortune of having as our Governor 47of74 May 2020 #17
Both states have notoriously evil, stupid politicians. CaptYossarian May 2020 #29
Most of the border with Wisconsin is river, right? roamer65 May 2020 #23
Not if Wisconsin wants to export its Covidiots. CaptYossarian May 2020 #30
Your last paragraph - so very disturbing but so true onetexan May 2020 #44
Fred Trump still lives through Donnie's words and actions. CaptYossarian May 2020 #48
KnR N_E_1 for Tennis May 2020 #18
The agitators are using the legimate protests as cover sarisataka May 2020 #19
How do you know 80% of the rioters are from out of state? MichMan May 2020 #20
Plus selection bias, arrests aren't being made in the thick of it Amishman May 2020 #26
The peaceable protesters who live in the community are adamant that they are NOT the ones destroying scarletwoman May 2020 #34
One thing I've noticed--in MN and elsewhere Lulu KC May 2020 #47
Not sure how accurate this is, it's from a Fox affiliate hughee99 May 2020 #36
Yes, I have seen that in all sources on Saturday Lulu KC May 2020 #46
Kick Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2020 #21
Kick. roamer65 May 2020 #22
In a different reality, Federal law enforcement would have been on top of this NotASurfer May 2020 #24
As I recall the FBI during the Obama years had information about Kaiserguy May 2020 #37
I smell Erik Prince behind this Generic Brad May 2020 #25
putin himself might be behind through funding various extremist groups AlexSFCA May 2020 #27
K&R nt PoliWrangler May 2020 #28
Make no mistake. Tipperary May 2020 #31
Kick....n/t Upthevibe May 2020 #32
When the MPD chief of police spoke at a presser after nite 1 DeminPennswoods May 2020 #33
TY.. That's what many of us thought.. last night. Cha May 2020 #35
I live in Uptown geardaddy May 2020 #38
so this could also be what is happening in other cities with yellowdogintexas May 2020 #39
+1, uponit7771 May 2020 #41
QAnon, klans, Nazis, white supremacist groups have dreamed of a race war Hermit-The-Prog May 2020 #43
from a FB post G_j May 2020 #45
Point 1 has been disproved... brooklynite May 2020 #49

mn9driver

(4,426 posts)
7. I believe it means that every active guard member will be in uniform tonight
Sat May 30, 2020, 11:19 AM
May 2020

And the ones who have completed their training will be armed. There are 11,000 active guard members.

katmondoo

(6,457 posts)
8. I wonder how much of this is Trump and Barr involved in.
Sat May 30, 2020, 11:29 AM
May 2020

It may be in Trumps mind If he can't use his rallies to incite anger then he will use the riots to get his message of hate out.

ancianita

(36,110 posts)
13. Youth must not cave to provocateurs, bad guys who set them up to be the 'bad guys'.
Sat May 30, 2020, 12:59 PM
May 2020

The right wing provocateurs break curfew with impunity. Protestors break curfew for the right reasons. Provocateurs are there to break them.

What's more dangerous is a murderer-in-chief who dogwhistles to foment civil war.

We can't want that more dangerous situation, either.

This is a president at war with his own country.

Americans of any age must stop him.

rationalcalgarian

(295 posts)
40. Just a coincidence...
Sun May 31, 2020, 03:11 AM
May 2020

... that the "agents provocateurs" and "outside extremists" wear the same police-issue combat boots as the riot police. Yeah, just a coincidence.

ancianita

(36,110 posts)
42. Yep, same coincidence as the fake Eastern Ukrainian military that Putin's military tried to
Sun May 31, 2020, 05:42 AM
May 2020

disguise itself as.

If we look, though, we can always find the tells -- the distinctive, stylish boogaloo insignias and masks.

We can tell the blackshirt baclava wearers are the outsiders, too. The suburban dad wear are outsiders, too.

We can tell that the floaters in and out, all the hit-and-runners are outsiders, too.

We can test them, ask them anything about the local neighborhood; outsiders ain't got shit to say.

Reals know outsiders. They call them out. Photograph them, then go in on curfew while they doxx them on all social media platforms.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
15. We have a lot of those people across the border in Wisconsin.
Sat May 30, 2020, 01:06 PM
May 2020

The SPLC has named 15 hate groups here.

I'm just glad Norm Coleman isn't their governor. In baseball fashion, he'd throw out the first brick.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
17. Or Kim Reynolds as we here in Iowa have the misfortune of having as our Governor
Sat May 30, 2020, 01:30 PM
May 2020

Yeah she would have been less than useless in this situation and probably would have done her best to make the situation worse.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
29. Both states have notoriously evil, stupid politicians.
Sat May 30, 2020, 02:45 PM
May 2020

Elected by hate-filled and gullible people. It wasn't always that way.

Let's hope the pendulum swings back to the left.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
30. Not if Wisconsin wants to export its Covidiots.
Sat May 30, 2020, 02:53 PM
May 2020

One town tracked the last 2 of its cases. The only businesses that were listed were taverns. You can guess what the patients' ideology is and what their actions would be at a George Floyd demonstration.

Watching all this turmoil this morning was like Christmas for the orange one. He didn't like the way the first Civil War ended. He's having a do-over.

onetexan

(13,044 posts)
44. Your last paragraph - so very disturbing but so true
Sun May 31, 2020, 07:26 AM
May 2020

Tells u how sociopathic this horrid man is and the destruction he's capable of. Lord please let cooler heads prevail to put a stop to this mess and kock him out of office.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
48. Fred Trump still lives through Donnie's words and actions.
Sun May 31, 2020, 11:47 AM
May 2020

He needs the "A Clockwork Orange" treatment that Alex got.

sarisataka

(18,679 posts)
19. The agitators are using the legimate protests as cover
Sat May 30, 2020, 01:35 PM
May 2020

they are a virus that is trying to infect message in order to tarnish and destroy it

MichMan

(11,940 posts)
20. How do you know 80% of the rioters are from out of state?
Sat May 30, 2020, 01:37 PM
May 2020

How would one ever know since it is a mob?

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
26. Plus selection bias, arrests aren't being made in the thick of it
Sat May 30, 2020, 01:49 PM
May 2020

Arrest opportunities are on the edge with people coming and going, which will be almost exclusively be people not from the neighborhood.

This isn't some right wing conspiracy, this is nothing new. This is the impoverished and downtrodden lashing out in blind rage. We've seen it many times before and it won't stop as long as we live in a broken unequal society. I can't and won't support the violence, but I do understand the desire.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
34. The peaceable protesters who live in the community are adamant that they are NOT the ones destroying
Sat May 30, 2020, 07:07 PM
May 2020

their own minority-owned businesses.

Lulu KC

(2,569 posts)
47. One thing I've noticed--in MN and elsewhere
Sun May 31, 2020, 10:31 AM
May 2020

Nearly every photo I've seen of someone breaking windows has been white people. Young, white guys, often with manbuns. I've noticed this because I was expecting more of a skinhead look, but either fashion times have changed or there are multiple types of white people adding chaos. That is what I believe--some are adolescents/early 20s who are just having an angry kind of fun and some have a different agenda.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
36. Not sure how accurate this is, it's from a Fox affiliate
Sat May 30, 2020, 07:13 PM
May 2020

According to arrest records available to to the public, a vast majority of those who were arrested have MN addresses. I can't speak to the rioters as a whole, but those who got arrested seem to be mostly local.

https://www.fox9.com/news/jail-records-show-most-arrested-in-minneapolis-riots-have-minnesota-addresses

Lulu KC

(2,569 posts)
46. Yes, I have seen that in all sources on Saturday
Sun May 31, 2020, 10:30 AM
May 2020

Someone (I forget who--too much information to retain it all) said 80% were from outside MN. Then someone else said that 80% arrested in Minneapolis were from outside Minneapolis. Then I saw arrest numbers from Minneapolis and St. Paul and both of them showed only a few people from out of state. So I'm really trying to reconcile all this--and it's not happening.

NotASurfer

(2,153 posts)
24. In a different reality, Federal law enforcement would have been on top of this
Sat May 30, 2020, 01:43 PM
May 2020

Isn't that part of the job of the FBI? They ought to be tracking and monitoring terrorist groups, and when information says those terrorist groups are putting plans into action, arrests should start; leaders should be rounded up, carloads of terrorists ought to be intercepted in their way to their targets, all of this well-publicized to dissuade anybody who they missed.

In the current reality...my darker inclination is that the current Administration is well-aware of the terrorists we see acting now, and this Administration tacitly and explicitly approves the acts of terrorism being committed. They know what evil is about to happen, and choose to side with evil.

Kaiserguy

(740 posts)
37. As I recall the FBI during the Obama years had information about
Sat May 30, 2020, 09:29 PM
May 2020

RW group and the Republicans had a fit about it. After all the haters are the base of todays GOP.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
31. Make no mistake.
Sat May 30, 2020, 03:04 PM
May 2020

If you did not get your Louis Vuitton gear last night, wait for another night. This is not the night for looting.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
33. When the MPD chief of police spoke at a presser after nite 1
Sat May 30, 2020, 03:54 PM
May 2020

he said that the crowd at night had changed, was different. He made a specific comment about them shifting around that fits with your point 2.


2. Their express purpose is destruction and incitement. They are using professional techniques and are in communication with and coordinating with each other in real time all over the city during the arsons and looting.

geardaddy

(24,931 posts)
38. I live in Uptown
Sat May 30, 2020, 11:01 PM
May 2020

And haven't slept much for three days. I am for the protesters and virulently against the instigators.

Watching local coverage, I saw them burn down my post office. I watched them burn dumpsters and garbage cans in the middle of intersections a few blocks from our place.

Reports (I don't know how reliable) of white supremacists have been spotted in a neighboring area in a truck with Trump stickers and Q-Anon stickers and reading area maps and with assault weapons.

It's terrifying and that's what these terrorists want.

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/pkyb9b/far-right-extremists-are-hoping-to-turn-the-george-floyd-protests-into-a-new-civil-war?utm_campaign=sharebutton

yellowdogintexas

(22,267 posts)
39. so this could also be what is happening in other cities with
Sat May 30, 2020, 11:05 PM
May 2020

rioting and looting etc.

Until further proof to the contrary, I am blaming it on the Dark Web etc.

It reminds me of gentler, quieter days during the Vietnam War (crazy to think of those as quieter and gentler times) in a way. Nasty demonstrations with window breaking and so on were mostly instigated by high school kids from the suburbs of Cambridge. Lots of windows were broken in Harvard square in 1969 -1971 One of the banks gave up and replaced a gigantic picture window with a brick wall.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,366 posts)
43. QAnon, klans, Nazis, white supremacist groups have dreamed of a race war
Sun May 31, 2020, 05:54 AM
May 2020

They are hoping that the time is right to spark one.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
45. from a FB post
Sun May 31, 2020, 07:36 AM
May 2020

no verification, not sure if I should share it, but here you go.

Shared from a friend of a friend on the ground in Minneapolis.

So for those of you who are interested - I have no idea how national media is covering this - here is what is happening on the ground from my perspective. It is a long post.

All day yesterday people were out on the street helping businesses - EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS IN UPTOWN has boarded up windows and locked down their stores. The 3rd Precinct, which burned on down Thursday night, is on the east end of Lake Street. Uptown, where we live and the 5th Precinct police station is located, is three miles west on lake street. All of Lake Street was looted on Thursday night. On Friday EVERY BUSINESS on Lake Street and adjoining commercial districts, was boarded up.

Many spray painted murals on the plywood - let folks know they were a local or minority owned business. Essential businesses.

Last night was by far the worst night. Protests during the day were peaceful. There was an 8:00pm curfew. Everything changed when the sun went down. There are roving and highly organized bands of anti-government neo-nazi white men cruising the city, breaking off plywood, looting stores, and then setting them fire to the buildings.

On the Northside, which is predominately African American, the situation was much the same. Local civic groups were trying to protect local businesses and homes. there were many fires.

The violence and destruction is NOT being driven by local people. The cars on the streets have either removed their license plates, or have out of state plates.

Here is a post from a neighbor, "Everybody! We need to get our heads around what’s happening, Mpls and St Paul are being attacked by fascist “accelerationist” white crazies. Trying to divide & destroy us.

Accelerationism: the idea inspiring white supremacist killers around the world -Vox"

Expect these same types to infiltrate all of the legitimate protests happening in other cities in America. We are fighting an enemy within.

These "accelerationists" burned down the 5th Police Precinct, our post office, every pharmacy. The Wallgreens and CVS within a few blocks of our house are still burning this morning. The grocery stores were all hit. Every bank has been hit. Every liquor store, every gas station. They have guns and accelerants.

When National Guard show up, they disappear into the neighborhoods and have been setting fires. It is a violent game of arsonist wake-a-mole. There is no longer any fire fighting service available - overwhelmed. So neighbors are using garden hoses to put out the fires and save homes. Pictures neighbors are sharing - these are young white men, heavily armed.

According to authorities there are over 10,000 of these "accelerationists" in the city. St. Paul arrested over 50 people last night. ALL OF THEM were from out of state. The authorities are checking phones of the people they have arrested, doing contact tracing of sorts on these people. These people are connected to right wing militia style groups with a civil/race war fantasy. They are opportunistically using the legitimate, peaceful George Floyd protests as a cover to actualize their neo-nazi fever dream.

Gov. Walz just said, "If you know where these people are sleeping today, let us know and we will execute warrants. Allie and I were helping the owner of a commercial building up the street - a friend, and two of these guys came up to us. Wanted to know where the free food was being distributed. He gave them an address that was three blocks away. Had no idea what we were talking about - not from here.

Allie, the girls and I are fine and safe. Exhausted. Angry. We have not really slept in three days. Everyone in Minneapolis/St. Paul is the same.

So, what to do? Our neighborhood group is meeting at the park this afternoon. I think that they will organize our neighborhood watch to patrol, try to spot fires and get them out ASAP.

Major protests are planned for today. They want the other three police officers involved in George Floyd's murder arrested, they want the MN Attorney General, not the Hennepin County Attorney to manage the case. They want the MPD disbanded and reformed with many alternative public safety and law enforcement strategies used. But the legitimate protests will end at 8:00 pm.

The Gov. and the mayor are calling in thousands more National Guard Troops. We already had more National Guard troops in the city than ever before. They are doing a good job but were overwhelmed last night by sheer numbers. Gov. Walz is the highest ranking soldier to have ever served in Congress and led the National Guard - he clearly sees this for what it is and will fight it. This is now a military operation by the State of Minnesota against alt-right, white nationalists and anarchists that have come into Minneapolis to use the protests against police brutality as cover for their death fantasy.

They are trying to force authorities to use deadly force and "accelerate" the violence.

It is dark friends.

The other side - this morning the neighborhood is out in force helping with the clean up, re-securing businesses. Massive food distribution at community centers. People taking in neighbors whose homes were destroyed or whose neighborhood was so impacted that it is no longer habitable. Allie was ion contact with students, many of whom are refugees from war torn countries, that were hearing explosions and fire and sirens - they were calling her to make sure she was okay.

Today I will garden. My flowers are starting to really come into bloom. Vegetables coming in strong. New raised bed being built. Eat some good food. Feel grateful. Train our new puppy Ruth, who is just a pip. Take her to the lake and give her a swimming lesson. Then I'll take a nap. I think tonight will be a long one.

brooklynite

(94,624 posts)
49. Point 1 has been disproved...
Sun May 31, 2020, 11:53 AM
May 2020

Arrests were primarily outside of Minneapolis but were Minnesota residents.

St. Paul mayor says earlier comments about arrested protesters being out of state were not correct

The mayor of St. Paul, Minnesota, said Saturday night that earlier statements that all the protesters who were arrested Friday were from out-of-state were not correct. Mayor Melvin Carter blamed inaccurate information given to him during a police briefing.


"This morning I shared with you arrest data received in my morning police briefing which I later learned to be inaccurate," Carter said at a press conference.

Earlier Friday, Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, Carter and Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey all said they believed people causing violence during protests over the death of George Floyd had come from outside the area.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minnesota-officials-say-most-people-who-acted-violently-at-protests-are-not-state-residents/
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