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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPossible helpful idea for valid George Floyd peaceful protests.
What if protest leaders declared all valid protesters should not wear hoodies or carry backpacks? Just get everyone to agree that anyone seen with a hoodie pulled up or carrying a backpack does not belong to a valid Floyd protest. Very few regular protesters I've seen in the news are wearing hoodies or covering themselves completely in black.
Those little RW white punks stirring up shit by breaking out windows had all their skin covered in black with hoodies, masks and gloves and backpacks to carry their tools of destruction.
* Stripped of the hoodies, protesters could at least have some details to share with authorities and....
* Not allowing backpacks would minimize concealment of larger tools that makes it easy to break glass and doors.
I felt a surge of pride at last yesterday when I saw videos of several instances where valid democratic protesters were calling out and running off these thugs who want to discredit and distract from a valid expression of American patriotism in the form of a peaceful protest.
I just feel the good guys somehow need to make themselves distinctive from the bad guys.
KY.......
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Nobody has the power to tell anybody NOT to wear a hoodie or a backpack.
I think your proposal is unworkable.
-Laelth
Captain Zero
(6,806 posts)Go ahead and wear your hoodie and take your backpack.
Don't make perfect the enemy of good.
I think peaceful protesters should take flowers to the demonstrations too.
But I can't force you. no.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)I would rather focus my energy on something that is actually possible. This OP proposes a potential solution that seems impossible to me.
-Laelth
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)If protest leaders let their groups know to be suspicious of anyone dressed in that fashion, someone should observe them and perhaps even question suspicious actions. Take pictures and make notes if necessary.
Simply by getting the real protesters to voluntarily agree to keep the hoodies down and leave the means of carrying heavy tools at home, that could make the fascists nervous about sticking out like a sore thumb and stay the hell away.
I'm looking for simple ways the good guys can prevent evil people that look like something out of a spy movie from walking down city streets methodically popping windows out of storefronts and spray painting everything in sight with false messages.
KY
Laelth
(32,017 posts)You overestimate DU if you think that this forum can reach your target audience. We are old. I would wager that fewer than 3% of us have actually attended a George Floyd protest. Still, if you could actually reach your target audience with your suggestions, I would support them. I dont think you are wrong. I think that grassroots movements are organic and, ultimately, uncontrollable.
-Laelth
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)... in Furgeson and it worked like a charm to stop the anarchist
Captain Zero
(6,806 posts)that ended up at the governor's mansion.
Protesters agreed to walk back down the street and disperse if the officers walked with them.
It worked.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)... or corrupt themselves.
Christ Rock is right, a couple of bad apples among police is like having a couple of bad apple airline pilots who like to crash their planes into mountains.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)the sides. Pretty much stop the vandalism or they have easy access to them as they clearly present themselves getting out of protest to do damage. But I imagine most of the damage is not coming from the protest line, but groups going around with the express purpose of causing problems.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Lets try quietly kneeling when the national anthem is played.
Oh wait...
SideStep
(93 posts)We should call out the RW agitators and vandals but a lot of the vandalism is coming from our/my side and I don't think we should be in fear of it. Do exactly what you say and there are still going to be oppressed people, and those who support our cause, out there breaking shit. When peaceful protests don't provide the required change then some factions will take it to the next level. I support them. The killing of minorities and systemic governmental oppression is not going to to end by way of peaceful protests.
Why don't some people stop attempting to rewrite history by saying that violence and vandalism only have a negative impact on societal movements, specially in the area of civil rights? It's just not true.
Lets not put a dress code on protests. Lets not start questioning our own. Point out the agitators, attempt to identify them, and also understand the great importance of the vandalism that is coming from our side.
"I just feel the good guys somehow need to make themselves distinctive from the bad guys."
Don't look at someone who just broke a store window and simply write them off as "bad guys." Many are agents of change.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)stations, city halls, etc., every day with hundred/thousands carrying signs like BLM -- so that police and officials see it as they come and go -- would make a difference. And do it during the week, not just on weekends.
But, when you get right down to it, doing something -- even if not the best way -- feels, and might be, better than doing nothing.
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Was 8.5M last time I looked.
This little pandemic thing....