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DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:20 PM Jun 2020

Why Is It That So Many People Are Looting?

It's like they have no respect for the law.

Imagine that.

Why?

I am trying to wrap my head around it. I would never break windows and steal stuff, but many others feel differently. Ideas why?

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Why Is It That So Many People Are Looting? (Original Post) DanieRains Jun 2020 OP
No job, no unemployment Lars39 Jun 2020 #1
A color TV or designer sneakers really help you survive... brooklynite Jun 2020 #13
Come down where the rest of us live. Lars39 Jun 2020 #15
Of stolen stuff? HotTeaBag Jun 2020 #23
Happens all the time Lars39 Jun 2020 #25
Really? I guess I'll have to keep a lookout the next time I go to one. HotTeaBag Jun 2020 #30
Even when Kaepernick took a knee he still offended people JonLP24 Jun 2020 #31
I don't disagree. HotTeaBag Jun 2020 #34
I'm against looting & stealing in general JonLP24 Jun 2020 #38
Pretty much exactly my point and how I feel about it. HotTeaBag Jun 2020 #43
Must be a lot of yard sales going on. Tipperary Jun 2020 #32
A lot of people were living paycheck to paycheck Lars39 Jun 2020 #39
Loot a grocery store Watchfoxheadexplodes Jun 2020 #58
And that's probably happened too. Lars39 Jun 2020 #59
If I had to steal, I would not be stealing big screen TVs or multiple boxes of sneakers. Tipperary Jun 2020 #60
But might only feed your family for a meal or two Lars39 Jun 2020 #61
This. Tipperary Jun 2020 #33
Nailed it brooklynite Devil Child Jun 2020 #37
That doesn't justify stealing. A person can seek out charities, there are Blue_true Jun 2020 #41
"Where I live"...you don't live everywhere. Lars39 Jun 2020 #44
Doesn't matter. Poverty does not justify stealing. Blue_true Jun 2020 #47
You are speaking from privilege. Lars39 Jun 2020 #48
It Pays, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2020 #2
Flee Markets work wonders to Wellstone ruled Jun 2020 #4
How many people are looting? nt. Mariana Jun 2020 #3
There's no official accounting from police or locals yet, so we might/might not know in the future. ancianita Jun 2020 #6
Here In Philadelphia RobinA Jun 2020 #54
Define "so many". maxsolomon Jun 2020 #5
too many RussBLib Jun 2020 #7
I take it you know why these looters loot, right? ancianita Jun 2020 #8
Looting via Super Pac MoonlitKnight Jun 2020 #46
Totally. That last idea is great. Creating boundaries works against the whole taint on protesters. ancianita Jun 2020 #50
here bigtree Jun 2020 #9
Great post JonLP24 Jun 2020 #19
Why are you so shocked to learn there are criminals in our society? Mariana Jun 2020 #10
It's like someone in charge has planted seeds or something, but who would be that big an asshole? Brainfodder Jun 2020 #11
Did you see the snuff film? SideStep Jun 2020 #12
trump did nothing to prevent this, duforsure Jun 2020 #14
To create chaos in an attempt undermine a movement for human/civil rights tenderfoot Jun 2020 #16
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2020 #20
Because they can bottomofthehill Jun 2020 #17
When leaders loot the Treasury and act lawlessly, why should people have to obey the law? berni_mccoy Jun 2020 #18
+1 ancianita Jun 2020 #51
Yeah, ... How dare those people loot without forming a corporation first !?!?!? uponit7771 Jun 2020 #21
Because injustice breeds chaos n/t budkin Jun 2020 #22
Bingo. nt Blue_true Jun 2020 #45
Thanks DanieRains Jun 2020 #55
The thin threads of society come apart at times Beringia Jun 2020 #24
Sadly, I think that the looters and burners tavernier Jun 2020 #26
Biden is dominating in polling JonLP24 Jun 2020 #28
Biden has been dominating and well on his way tavernier Jun 2020 #42
This is what frightens me. Tipperary Jun 2020 #35
I disagree. If rightwing instigators are involved, and it looks like they are, Blue_true Jun 2020 #49
Like Russia? LeftInTX Jun 2020 #62
Hope you're right. tavernier Jun 2020 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author jmg257 Jun 2020 #27
Get the Looter In Chief and his crime family out of the White House. Paladin Jun 2020 #29
Opportunists, criminals and people disenfranchised by systemic racism. chowder66 Jun 2020 #36
Because there is a good sized number of people in this country Blue_true Jun 2020 #40
not to worry they are going to give all that stuff to their suffering fellow americans lol nt msongs Jun 2020 #52
Many of the looters are criminal gangs backscatter712 Jun 2020 #53
to me, riots, vandalism and looting all speak to the failure of the social contract 0rganism Jun 2020 #56
This is the best explanation I have heard... tonedevil Jun 2020 #57
Because many people are dishonest. The question is, though, exactly how many is "many"? Dial H For Hero Jun 2020 #63

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
1. No job, no unemployment
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:23 PM
Jun 2020

40 million or so people are out of work
The question is why did you not connect those dots?

brooklynite

(94,581 posts)
13. A color TV or designer sneakers really help you survive...
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:49 PM
Jun 2020

Please, these are not the struggling working class raiding supermarkets,these are people who don’t have respect for property or civil order.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
30. Really? I guess I'll have to keep a lookout the next time I go to one.
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 01:56 PM
Jun 2020

Nothing says 'Rest In Peace George/End Police Brutality/Black Lives Matter' like breaking shit, stealing and profiting.



JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
31. Even when Kaepernick took a knee he still offended people
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 01:58 PM
Jun 2020

That was as peaceful and as silent as you get. There is no right way to protest to get people to address these problems.

Most of the protests are peaceful.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
34. I don't disagree.
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:01 PM
Jun 2020

And I realize that I am in the minority when it comes to the destruction and looting taking place but it is what is...wrong as far as I'm concerned.

This last week will be remembered for destruction and not much more until the next black man is murdered by police and we'll do it all over again.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
38. I'm against looting & stealing in general
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:12 PM
Jun 2020

I just worry about using incidents of looting to take the focus off the reasons for protests. It seems protests are peaceful during the day & looters come out at night. There are also outside agitators & those looking to discredit the legitimate protests.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
43. Pretty much exactly my point and how I feel about it.
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:29 PM
Jun 2020

I had a feeling that as soon as this crap started the focus would be on this crap and not the absolutely horrific treatment of POC at the hands of police.

And it kind of has, although it seems this murder was so egregious that maybe, juuuuust maybe some kind of shift may be happening for the better - I really hope so.

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
39. A lot of people were living paycheck to paycheck
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:18 PM
Jun 2020

and now have zip coming in. What would you do to keep your kids fed?

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
60. If I had to steal, I would not be stealing big screen TVs or multiple boxes of sneakers.
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 04:03 PM
Jun 2020

In one of the Target looting videos, I saw no one leave with food. Food would be easier to carry than electronics lol.

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
61. But might only feed your family for a meal or two
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 04:04 PM
Jun 2020

Just how far do you think the stimulus check went.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
41. That doesn't justify stealing. A person can seek out charities, there are
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:26 PM
Jun 2020

charities where I live that are actively helping people with ALL living expenses right now.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
47. Doesn't matter. Poverty does not justify stealing.
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:41 PM
Jun 2020

Some of the people that lost possessions were likely barely meeting payroll.

A person can't rail against the rich looting the Treasury then turn around and say that it is ok for some people to steal other people's possessions. That is a constant, I really don't give a shit about where that constant must be applied.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
2. It Pays, Ma'am
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:25 PM
Jun 2020

There is certainly some casual activity, but it was noticeable in Chicago that jewelry stores, stores selling sports memorabilia and equipment, and high end clothing, were quickly stripped. This stuff has good resale value, and doubtless a good deal of it will be appearing on e-bay and such over the coming weeks.

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
6. There's no official accounting from police or locals yet, so we might/might not know in the future.
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:30 PM
Jun 2020

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
54. Here In Philadelphia
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 03:03 PM
Jun 2020

lots. It’s unconscionable. Lots of people with their own businesses getting hit. It’s an excuse for breaking things. I’m angry as a white person with no dog in this hunt, I’d be livid if I were an African American who was for justice and a bunch of criminals were stepping on my message. And the looters here are white and black. No one group has cornered the market on being a hooligan.

RussBLib

(9,019 posts)
7. too many
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:32 PM
Jun 2020

but I do wonder if hard economic times and unemployment have anything to do with it.

On MSNBC the other day, the reporter in Santa Monica was saying that there seemed to be some communication between the looters. They knew where the cops were, so they knew they could go where the cops were not. As if some command center is telling them, OK! The coast is clear on 3rd Avenue. All the cops are on La Brea (making up street names). And then a lot of looters would flood in, smash windows, go in a grab as much as they could, until the cops started showing up.

That's kind of a scary thought. Organized crime, basically.

MoonlitKnight

(1,584 posts)
46. Looting via Super Pac
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:38 PM
Jun 2020

Is still looting. And they are taking trillions vs millions or thousands.

And the looting in the streets is due to sending police after the peaceful protests and leaving other areas without any protection.

The cities where police have marched with protesters and provided a destination have had no issues.

DC was the best example of stupidity by police. They had a peaceful group in Lafayette Park and keep dispersing them into the streets and causing the bad actors to have cover for causing damage. Even Friday night when they pulled away the barricades they didn’t rush past the police when they clearly could have done so.

New York and LA look to be organized gangs looting. They would be better off allowing a central protest location and free up police to patrol the rest of the city.

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
50. Totally. That last idea is great. Creating boundaries works against the whole taint on protesters.
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:49 PM
Jun 2020

Thanks!

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
9. here
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:38 PM
Jun 2020
The 1968 Kerner Commission Got It Right, But Nobody Listened
Released 50 years ago, the infamous report found that poverty and institutional racism were driving inner-city violence
by Alice George
smithsonianmag.com
March 1, 2018

Pent-up frustrations boiled over in many poor African-American neighborhoods during the mid- to late-1960s, setting off riots that rampaged out of control from block to block. Burning, battering and ransacking property, raging crowds created chaos in which some neighborhood residents and law enforcement operatives endured shockingly random injuries or deaths. Many Americans blamed the riots on outside agitators or young black men, who represented the largest and most visible group of rioters. But, in March 1968, the Kerner Commission turned those assumptions upside-down, declaring white racism—not black anger—turned the key that unlocked urban American turmoil.

Bad policing practices, a flawed justice system, unscrupulous consumer credit practices, poor or inadequate housing, high unemployment, voter suppression, and other culturally embedded forms of racial discrimination all converged to propel violent upheaval on the streets of African-American neighborhoods in American cities, north and south, east and west. And as black unrest arose, inadequately trained police officers and National Guard troops entered affected neighborhoods, often worsening the violence.

“White society,” the presidentially appointed panel reported, “is deeply implicated in the ghetto. White institutions created it, white institutions maintain it, and white society condones it.” The nation, the Kerner Commission warned, was so divided that the United States was poised to fracture into two radically unequal societies—one black, one white.

____President Lyndon Johnson constituted the Kerner Commission to identify the genesis of the violent 1967 riots that killed 43 in Detroit and 26 in Newark, while causing fewer casualties in 23 other cities. The most recent investigation of rioting had been the McCone Commission, which explored the roots of the 1965 Watts riot and accused “riffraff” of spurring unrest. Relying on the work of social scientists and in-depth studies of the nation’s impoverished black urban areas, or ghettoes as they were often called, the Kerner Commission reached a quite different interpretation about the riots’ cause...

read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/1968-kerner-commission-got-it-right-nobody-listened-180968318/




The Kerner commission confirmed that nervous police and National Guardsmen sometimes fired their weapons recklessly after hearing gunshots. Above, police patrol the streets during the 1967 Newark Riots.Bud Lee, Collection of the Smithsonian National Museum of African American History and Culture)

Mariana

(14,857 posts)
10. Why are you so shocked to learn there are criminals in our society?
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:41 PM
Jun 2020

You really never knew this before?

 

SideStep

(93 posts)
12. Did you see the snuff film?
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:44 PM
Jun 2020

You know, the one with officers murdering a peaceful civilian? Or how about any of the other tapes of police brutality?

Did you see the tax scam? One of the most oppressive and regressive pieces of legislation I have seen in a long time.

Have you seen the brutality and near insurmountable struggle people are living under as the wage gap continues to grow? And make no mistake, it's fully intentional.

Reparations? Yeah, I support them. Not just for slavery but for current legislation that upholds systemic oppression.

The true looters are wealthy whites.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
14. trump did nothing to prevent this,
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:55 PM
Jun 2020

And now is stiffing small businesses and the American people into a depression, and they want to call them thieves while trump gets the bulk of relief to the corporations and businesses like his, while leaving us screwed and hungry. Looting is wrong , but he created these disasters , and now wants brutality used against people who now have nothing else to lose. The trumps are looting the treasury now.

bottomofthehill

(8,330 posts)
17. Because they can
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 01:36 PM
Jun 2020

The looting and rioting has nothing to do with the senseless loss of life at the hands of a murderous police officer and his helpers.

Beringia

(4,316 posts)
24. The thin threads of society come apart at times
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 01:46 PM
Jun 2020

There is incredible pent up anger and also huge disparities in our society, that are kept in check generally. I remember when the San Francisco earthquake happened in 1989, I was not that afraid of the earthquake. I was afraid society was going to become unhinged while I tried to make my way home, 30 miles south to San Mateo.

tavernier

(12,389 posts)
26. Sadly, I think that the looters and burners
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 01:49 PM
Jun 2020

will end up guaranteeing Rump a re-election. This makes me physically ill.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
28. Biden is dominating in polling
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 01:53 PM
Jun 2020

Polling turned out to be accurate for the 2020 primaries which I tracked very closely. Trump has botched the coronavirus response and is pandering to evangelicals in the middle of a crisis. All Biden has to do is limit his mistakes.

One thing that is different there is universal outrage even from cops over the George Floyd killing.

tavernier

(12,389 posts)
42. Biden has been dominating and well on his way
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:27 PM
Jun 2020

to a clean sweep, including the added horror of the murder of George Floyd. But in past 24 hours I have seen the anger at trump suddenly being redirected to the looters and burners. I’m well aware that a great deal of the rioting is being instigated purposely by gangs who are hoping for that outcome, but that’s not what the general public sees, especially when being televised 24/7.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
49. I disagree. If rightwing instigators are involved, and it looks like they are,
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:44 PM
Jun 2020

that badly undercut Trump.

Let information come out.

Response to DanieRains (Original post)

Paladin

(28,262 posts)
29. Get the Looter In Chief and his crime family out of the White House.
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 01:55 PM
Jun 2020

Then I'll worry about what's happening in our urban centers.

chowder66

(9,070 posts)
36. Opportunists, criminals and people disenfranchised by systemic racism.
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:06 PM
Jun 2020

I think some of them are people that are angry about lost opportunities. They can't afford the things they need or would like to have. This is a way to feel like they have a moment of power in their lives by taking from a system that suppresses opportunity. It's not right but I would understand that over opportunists and criminals any day.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
40. Because there is a good sized number of people in this country
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:23 PM
Jun 2020

who simply don't respect other people's rights. It has nothing to do with race or even wealth status. There are simply people, that if you show humanity toward them, they will look to rip you off for that. You have to deal firmly with such people, but you don't get into abusing them the way police do to such people from some ethnic groups.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
53. Many of the looters are criminal gangs
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 03:00 PM
Jun 2020

They'll rent a U-Haul truck, pull up to a place and clean it out.

I'd say in the end it's a mix. Most of the protesters are peaceful, know better, and are tired of hearing the lectures. A few are idiots. But on top of that, you have the thieves - who seem to have no political motivation, they're just there for the five-finger discount. And then you have the police provocateurs, boogaloo bois and the like that are there to ratfuck.

0rganism

(23,955 posts)
56. to me, riots, vandalism and looting all speak to the failure of the social contract
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 03:13 PM
Jun 2020

one alternative question we could ask is, "why don't people loot normally?" why should people let you leave up a quasi-permanent storefront with valuable merchandise just sitting around inside after you depart for the day? how does that happen? all i have to do is bust your flimsy window and grab the necklace and leave quickly, why don't i just do that?

it hinges on a social contract and the idea of public space being at least nominally safe and accessible to the general public. when that trust is violated, the most obvious symptom is a riot with property damage and theft. in the absence of that, society turns a blind eye and moves on, assuming that the social contract is secure and existing mechanisms are adequate to resolve any aberrations. peaceful protests are largely ignored or openly mocked (cf Colin Kaepernick's peaceful and quiet knee-taking), but the violent ones get coverage, get people talking, make society look for solutions to re-establishing the social contract.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
63. Because many people are dishonest. The question is, though, exactly how many is "many"?
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 04:17 PM
Jun 2020

If only 3% of the people in a city the size of the New York Metropolitan Area are the sort who would loot given the opportunity, we're talking about half a million people. That's a lot of looters.

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