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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,184 posts)
Sat Jun 6, 2020, 09:02 PM Jun 2020

Re: "Antifa." I understand the desire not to let others define your words.

I also understand:

1. “Antifa” is short for “anti-fascism” and we can all agree fascism is bad.

2. There was a real organization called “Antifa” in Europe in the mid-20th Century.

3. There are pages claiming to represent “Antifa” groups in the US in the current day, although a good number of those have been determined to be fake.

That being said, the whole “I am Antifa!” thing some of you are insisting upon—Is that really the hill we want to die on?

Yes, your grandfather fought in WWII. No, he wasn’t “Antifa.” He was a uniformed member of the US military.

Like it or not, the term “Antifa” has been co-opted by Trump and the right to paint the picture of a non-existent terrorist group based on a small handful of fringe weirdos made up mostly of anarchists and right-wing provocateurs who mess up otherwise great protests.

And honestly, it’s not that even great of a name. People have no clue how to pronounce it.

So while I understand the impulse of some to want to take back the word “Antifa” from the right...is it really worth it?

I think we can all say we are anti-fascist, anti-racist, and anti-police brutality. Why bother with trying to identify a term that is just a weird misnomer and a red herring.

Stop trying to make “Antifa” happen, Gretchen.



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Re: "Antifa." I understand the desire not to let others define your words. (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2020 OP
I am antifa. yardwork Jun 2020 #1
one is either pro facist or anti facist ......it shouldn't be a hard choice samnsara Jun 2020 #2
Yes, and if Trump has coopted the term, I'm taking it back. yardwork Jun 2020 #4
That's worked out really well in the past. Mike Niendorff Jun 2020 #3
I am anti-fascism TDale313 Jun 2020 #5
Therein lies the problem, but I'm afraid most people don't see it... AntiFascist Jun 2020 #7
"is it really worth it?" Yes. They took "liberal" for a time, that set this whole country back ck4829 Jun 2020 #6
But "liberal" helps define us to a core. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2020 #8
Honor? No, for me, this is the mere principle ck4829 Jun 2020 #9

Mike Niendorff

(3,462 posts)
3. That's worked out really well in the past.
Sat Jun 6, 2020, 09:12 PM
Jun 2020

Been called a "socialist" lately?

Seriously, stop letting the right-wing redefine language to suit their needs.

Call them on it.


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TDale313

(7,820 posts)
5. I am anti-fascism
Sat Jun 6, 2020, 10:18 PM
Jun 2020

And sadly, no, that’s clearly not something we can all agree on. And I will reclaim the concept, and will tell dumbasses who try to use that in a “both sides do it. The left’s just as bad-worse!” kinda way “Yeah. I’m antifa. I’m against fascism. Why aren’t you?”

Also... “I’m a socialist. Ask me how”

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
7. Therein lies the problem, but I'm afraid most people don't see it...
Sat Jun 6, 2020, 10:33 PM
Jun 2020

Fascism in the early 20th Century arose as a response to socialism and communism threatening to overtake Europe following the Great Depression. It masqueraded as a form of socialism itself, in order to appeal to the masses, but ultimately it protected the existing monopolies that were aligned with the ruling party, that of the Nazis.

When anti-fascism aligns itself with anti-capitalism, as we have seen in more recent demonstrations and riots, then we see the full force of so called "law enforcement" brought out against it.

Trump has been the role model for the worst of the worst among unregulated and corrupted capitalists. This fact has been verified repeatedly. The silence of his fellow Republicans only demonstrates how corrupt the Republican party itself has become.

ck4829

(35,077 posts)
6. "is it really worth it?" Yes. They took "liberal" for a time, that set this whole country back
Sat Jun 6, 2020, 10:29 PM
Jun 2020

I think the damage done to the political landscape of the US is permanent because of that.

"Socialism" is wanting everyone to have healthcare or buying stuff before a blizzard.

We let them define "liberal", "antifa", "socialism", "left", "good national security" "borders", and why stop there?

Should we let them define what constitutes "disgusting"? What a measure of a "strong economy" is?

What a human life is worth?

The right-wing will no longer be the gods and kings of our lives, and that includes the words we use.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,184 posts)
8. But "liberal" helps define us to a core.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 07:49 AM
Jun 2020

“Antifa” is just some awkward abbreviation for something that just means “common sense.”

Some words are worth fighting for their honor.

“Antifa” isn’t one of them.

ck4829

(35,077 posts)
9. Honor? No, for me, this is the mere principle
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:17 AM
Jun 2020

Right-wingers want some control of the definition of some word or concept.

I don't want them to have it.

It's as simple as that.

I don't care if it's "liberal", if it's "empathy", if it's "socialism", if it's "antifa"...

Heck, if Ariana Grande makes up the word "Lubbalubbashoobendorg" next week and the right wants to take it and pervert it to mean something else to serve their agenda, then I want to at least make sure they don't do it without a fight.

I'm not expecting a lot of people to agree with me, it's OK, but it's what I do.

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