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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRe: "Antifa." I understand the desire not to let others define your words.
I also understand:
1. Antifa is short for anti-fascism and we can all agree fascism is bad.
2. There was a real organization called Antifa in Europe in the mid-20th Century.
3. There are pages claiming to represent Antifa groups in the US in the current day, although a good number of those have been determined to be fake.
That being said, the whole I am Antifa! thing some of you are insisting uponIs that really the hill we want to die on?
Yes, your grandfather fought in WWII. No, he wasnt Antifa. He was a uniformed member of the US military.
Like it or not, the term Antifa has been co-opted by Trump and the right to paint the picture of a non-existent terrorist group based on a small handful of fringe weirdos made up mostly of anarchists and right-wing provocateurs who mess up otherwise great protests.
And honestly, its not that even great of a name. People have no clue how to pronounce it.
So while I understand the impulse of some to want to take back the word Antifa from the right...is it really worth it?
I think we can all say we are anti-fascist, anti-racist, and anti-police brutality. Why bother with trying to identify a term that is just a weird misnomer and a red herring.
Stop trying to make Antifa happen, Gretchen.
yardwork
(61,657 posts)samnsara
(17,623 posts)yardwork
(61,657 posts)I'm not letting Trump take anything.
Mike Niendorff
(3,462 posts)Been called a "socialist" lately?
Seriously, stop letting the right-wing redefine language to suit their needs.
Call them on it.
MDN
TDale313
(7,820 posts)And sadly, no, thats clearly not something we can all agree on. And I will reclaim the concept, and will tell dumbasses who try to use that in a both sides do it. The lefts just as bad-worse! kinda way Yeah. Im antifa. Im against fascism. Why arent you?
Also... Im a socialist. Ask me how
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)Fascism in the early 20th Century arose as a response to socialism and communism threatening to overtake Europe following the Great Depression. It masqueraded as a form of socialism itself, in order to appeal to the masses, but ultimately it protected the existing monopolies that were aligned with the ruling party, that of the Nazis.
When anti-fascism aligns itself with anti-capitalism, as we have seen in more recent demonstrations and riots, then we see the full force of so called "law enforcement" brought out against it.
Trump has been the role model for the worst of the worst among unregulated and corrupted capitalists. This fact has been verified repeatedly. The silence of his fellow Republicans only demonstrates how corrupt the Republican party itself has become.
ck4829
(35,077 posts)I think the damage done to the political landscape of the US is permanent because of that.
"Socialism" is wanting everyone to have healthcare or buying stuff before a blizzard.
We let them define "liberal", "antifa", "socialism", "left", "good national security" "borders", and why stop there?
Should we let them define what constitutes "disgusting"? What a measure of a "strong economy" is?
What a human life is worth?
The right-wing will no longer be the gods and kings of our lives, and that includes the words we use.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,184 posts)Antifa is just some awkward abbreviation for something that just means common sense.
Some words are worth fighting for their honor.
Antifa isnt one of them.
ck4829
(35,077 posts)Right-wingers want some control of the definition of some word or concept.
I don't want them to have it.
It's as simple as that.
I don't care if it's "liberal", if it's "empathy", if it's "socialism", if it's "antifa"...
Heck, if Ariana Grande makes up the word "Lubbalubbashoobendorg" next week and the right wants to take it and pervert it to mean something else to serve their agenda, then I want to at least make sure they don't do it without a fight.
I'm not expecting a lot of people to agree with me, it's OK, but it's what I do.