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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe reason for racism, I believe, is because of both anger and...
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genetics.
I used to have big-time anger issues, until I figured something out.
First, aggression is genetic.*
Second, anger is a form of aggression that is not always a result of something pissing me off, but because I might be genetically engineered to feel anger all the time, like other people feel happy or content, and by the way, I think that's also based on genetics (look up the research done on dopamine).
Third, and of course, finally, I needed to have a reason for being angry.
I think that's why people become racist. They have anger issues, and of course, they also need a reason for their anger, and blacks make a convenient target.
I still have anger issues, and I still have screaming fits, but at least now, I know the real reason for them, and sometimes I'll even end up laughing at myself for getting angry at stupid, petty and nonsensical things.
As a matter of fact, I believe that's how you can tell if someone's anger is genetic or not, and that's to compare the amount of anger to the reason for it, and if it seems out of proportion, then I think it's genetic.
To be honest, I agree that a little righteous anger is sometimes called for, and let me tell you, I love it when that happens.
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*Watch "Dogs Decoded" by Nova until you get to the part (I think it's about 40 minutes in) where they get into the Siberian experiment with foxes.
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guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Another is tribalism. The tendency, the need, for humans to belong to a group.
Unscrupulous leaders will use many tactics to divide those whom they rule. Race, language, flag, belief, are all used to divide us from each other.
Amy-Strange
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that only explains the tribalism, and not the underlying reason for the anger that supports it.
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guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)One is often angry at things that one fears.
And in the US, the rich use racism to divide workers. Anything that weakens unity serves the needs of the rich. That also is why the rich hate unions, which can increase unity among workers.
SamKnause
(13,108 posts)Racism is taught.
Anger issues are another matter.
Amy-Strange
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I said anger might be genetic, not racism.
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SamKnause
(13,108 posts)Amy-Strange
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but when I critically analyze those feelings, I realize that more white people have f***ked me over than all the black people in the world combined.
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SamKnause
(13,108 posts)Solomon
(12,311 posts)annihilation. It takes two white people to produce a white person. If a white mates with a non-white, a non-white is produced. White birth rates are not keeping up with non-white birth rates. Some whites don't care about this, but there are a lot of whites who do. They don't want to become a minority because they assume they will be treated like a minority.
Amy-Strange
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are you saying that this is the reason for ALL racism, because that's a blanket statement, and unless you talk to ALL the racist in the world, and they ALL agree that's the real reason...
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Solomon
(12,311 posts)question.
Amy-Strange
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I still don't believe that ALL racism is based on fear, regardless of semantics.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but blanket statements like yours always make me suspicious.
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Trailrider1951
(3,414 posts)Fear is the basis, fear of the "Other". And remember those laws down South as to what classified a person as "white" or "colored". If you had ANY non-white person in your background, you were considered "colored", no matter what your actual appearance. I was born in late 1951. On my copy of my official birth certificate, it lists "White" as my father's "Color or Race" (box 8), and "White" as my mother's "Color or Race" (box 13). State of Ohio.
Amy-Strange
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not ALL racism is based on fear.
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in2herbs
(2,945 posts)one is positive. Free will and choice determines which.
Amy-Strange
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but it certainly is easier if you don't have anger issues.
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usajumpedtheshark
(672 posts)In many conflicts over power and resources, leaders often resort to vilifying those who disagree with them and try to make their followers view their opponents as less than human. So even though the leaders are much better off than their followers the are persuaded that they at least are still superior than "them".
Amy-Strange
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that doesn't really explain the reason for the anger, just the results of it.
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in2herbs
(2,945 posts)humans couldn't be angry enuf to take another life even if their own life depended on it. They're called gentle souls.
Amy-Strange
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Everyone doesn't have that genetic marker.
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usajumpedtheshark
(672 posts)but I think the leaders create the anger by how they depict "them" as being evil subhumans. For example, how the USA portrayed the Axis powers in WW II.
Amy-Strange
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that really doesn't explain where the anger came from originally, especially since it's so irrational.
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GeorgiaPeanut
(360 posts)When one is angry, frothing at the mouth and yelling, one is telegraphing an immense vulnerability to the others.
Amy-Strange
(854 posts)msongs
(67,420 posts)Karadeniz
(22,537 posts)Nice, black, pleasingly plump and we loved her. I mispronounced her name as Honey Mae, so that became her name. For Easter mother took us to her house for dinner. 1953. A year later we were in Japan. Shortly afterwards, my dad and I were walking hand in hand down the PX aisle and I saw black baby dolls. I tried to drag dad to them, but he wouldn't budge. I ended up screaming and crying, stretched out on the floor, dad dragging me away. (Years later, with Katrina victims housed in the Austin convention center, I drove 100 miles to it to find a family with a black baby, but noone wanted to stay so far away...and I had found the cutest baby imaginable.)
In Japan we had Miyoko and Penny as our maids. We thought they were beautiful. Penny came with us on vacations. I begged mother to adopt a Japanese sister for me, but no dice...back then, she never knew when she'd end up pregnant again, so the empty crib stayed in my room, unused.
When dad was assigned the Pentagon, mother ran in a circle that included Japanese...one woman was a Japanese who'd been adopted by an army general after the war.
Then we went to Hawaii. My main teacher was Mr Nakamura, my ballet teacher was Mrs Sugano, the ironing lady was hapa haole. Again mother made lots of oriental friends, we were the only whites in a Filipino church and mother's new friends took us to Chinese and Buddhist temples.
Then to Turkey. The houseboy, in his fifties, was Greek. The military kids in Istanbul socialized with Turkish boys. We ran all over Istanbul unsupervised, interacting with the Turks. During the school year, I was in Ankara at a DoD boarding school. There were two black girls boarding and the senior class voted one of them our prom queen. She was gorgeous and a dancer.
So...I think exposure with the right parents is a big factor.
Amy-Strange
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because the reason they give themselves for their anger has to come from somewhere, and parents can certainly be a big influence in that department.
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Squinch
(50,955 posts)lots of "oriental friends" and the secret of your open mindedness is your servants of different races and the two black girls in your boarding school??
During Katrina you drove to find a family with a black baby because you wanted a black doll as a child? What does that even MEAN!!
maxrandb
(15,334 posts)is because we didn't see reconstruction through after the Civil War.
We just gave up. We allowed the KKK and Jim Crow to take root and spread all over this country.
The police force was no longer about maintaining order and justice. It became an arm to keep the poor and minorities in their place.
Law enforcement, real estate practices, education, and banking were all designed to keep a segment of Americans on "their" side of the tracks.
Cross over the line and the cops would bust your head.
Try to buy or build in a "nice" section of town and homes, or mortgages were not allowed. If you managed to get into a nice neighborhood, it wasn't long until people you didn't know fled because property values were tied to the color of your skin.
You could go to school, but the building was crumbling, the teachers either sucked, or the good ones had no resources.
Truth be told, we probably should still have troops in the Confederate States.
We just didn't have the courage or the stomach to make emancipation the reality it should have been.
Amy-Strange
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I'm not sure about still having troops in the confederate states.
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GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)And Im talking about institutionalization racism. Not the individual kind. That may never end.
Im a white Southern man. My family has been here since the 1600s.
The game has never changed. But now is nation wide not just in the south.
Even during slavery poor white southern farmers we fucking poor. But, they werent slaves so they had status in society. Gave them pride.
After emancipation poor white yeoman farmers were fucking poor. But not poor like those black, and white to be honest, share croppers. I know because my grandfather was in that class. He had land and was proud he was better than those that did not.
Suddenly there are people of color doing well. Making money. Starting business. Becoming our President.
That drove them crazy. They saw they could easily become the lowest on the totem pole and we see the results.
Meanwhile, the ones profiting from this drama keep getting richer as they have for 300 years.
Thats my story and I believe it. Are there lots of racist in this country? Hell yeah. More than most on DU will admit. But they were trained for it.
Amy-Strange
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thank you for sharing that.
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MoonlitKnight
(1,584 posts)Or I will put it more politely, Ignorance is the foundation of hate, intolerance and racism.
Amy-Strange
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but it seems no ones realized that yet.
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Response to Amy-Strange (Original post)
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Amy-Strange
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Emotions can be caused by genetics.
Check out the research being done on aggression and dopamine and watch "Dogs Decoded".
They're eye openers.
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dweller
(23,641 posts)and the foxes info was very eerie
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Amy-Strange
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especially the way the aggressive ones growled under their breath, because it made me wonder if that's how serial killers felt inside, and that's when I made the connection.
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canetoad
(17,169 posts)I can't say more and stay within site rules. Get a fucking grip and stop being so fucking full of yourself and your own anger. This is not normal.
Amy-Strange
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I admit that I am full of myself, and a drama queen, but why does that make you so angry that you want to say things that the site won't allow?
That also sounds a little narcistic, but nothing wrong with that really.
After all, if we all weren't a little narcistic, we'd all be dead.
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canetoad
(17,169 posts)In your amateur attempts at mind-reading. I'm not angry. I'm rarely if ever angry, but I do become slightly frustrated at jejune attempts to encapsulate a wide expanse of experience in a couple of throwaway lines.
Anger can be controlled. Work on it.
Amy-Strange
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thank you for your input.
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canetoad
(17,169 posts)Because that doesn't seem like a sincere reply.
The answer to your anger issues is simple: SELF CONTROL.
Withywindle
(9,988 posts)1) You think that your posting about your OTT anger issues is in any way new and interesting info. No, dude. Angry men who have trouble controlling their anger and over-identify with other, even worse, manchild-lasher-outers are the least interesting people on Earth. You're a dime a dozen. That's the problem.
2) it's spelled "narcissistic."
Amy-Strange
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thank you for your input.
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Squinch
(50,955 posts)Amy-Strange
(854 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Your premise is flawed. However, if you can support it with objective evidence, I'd love to hear more; but if your position is simply an emotional appeal, it (by definition) lacks rational thought.
Amy-Strange
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I do agree that racism can exist without anger.
You'd know that I included evidence, If you actually read my post.
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jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)It was written almost 80 yrs ago still the best explanation of white privilege and racism in America. No matter how bad things are economically for poor white people they can console themselves that at least they aren't black and no matter how miserably they fail in life they never will be...
Amy-Strange
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It sounds interesting and thank you.
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