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safeinOhio

(32,688 posts)
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 09:25 AM Jun 2020

How we can lower police violence.

Once a year and after every use of force, take a blood sample of officers involved. Test for illegal drugs including steroids.

I think they would think twice before using violence and there would be a reduction in it.

Also make the results available to the public.

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How we can lower police violence. (Original Post) safeinOhio Jun 2020 OP
Knew a contract engineer at sikorsky... Maxheader Jun 2020 #1
other ideas Nature Man Jun 2020 #2
Better screening of candidates might be a good place to start. Arkansas Granny Jun 2020 #3
This!👆 SheltieLover Jun 2020 #5
Precisely Sherman A1 Jun 2020 #7
The rotten cops train, partner with, and supervise the new cops. Mariana Jun 2020 #8
I had a female friend who was a local cop. Phoenix61 Jun 2020 #10
Toxic bro-culture. I'm sorry she had to put up with that. backscatter712 Jun 2020 #20
Same shit with military police. 2naSalit Jun 2020 #22
Manditory Certification by an accredited service. Liberal In Texas Jun 2020 #4
Another good idea. Republican are safeinOhio Jun 2020 #11
Wildland firefighters have to 2naSalit Jun 2020 #23
Psychiatric evaluations, by independent doctors, yearly, would be a big help. Chainfire Jun 2020 #6
Absolutely not. Psychiatrists are not able to predict anything. maximusveritas Jun 2020 #17
The 'blue wall' must come down... WePurrsevere Jun 2020 #9
Defund the police departments according safeinOhio Jun 2020 #12
That sounds like a very good idea too... WePurrsevere Jun 2020 #19
By making sure they don't have easy access to military-grade equipment ck4829 Jun 2020 #13
FTP & ACAB Coventina Jun 2020 #14
The largest organized safeinOhio Jun 2020 #16
You got that right!!!! Coventina Jun 2020 #21
Put an end to the toxic bro-culture that's in so many PDs. backscatter712 Jun 2020 #15
Demilitarize the police. Regular patrol officers shouldn't even have guns - like English bobbies. backscatter712 Jun 2020 #18
Just makes all payments & settlements come out of police pension funds krawhitham Jun 2020 #24
Get better police. Iggo Jun 2020 #25
No white cops. SoonerPride Jun 2020 #26
A huge step Chainfire Jun 2020 #27
4 nurses can hold down safeinOhio Jun 2020 #28

Maxheader

(4,373 posts)
1. Knew a contract engineer at sikorsky...
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 09:32 AM
Jun 2020

From la...likes to workout, lift weights...said the cops he ran into in the

gyms there, were very intense..Some were like animals...Beyond natural

adrenalin highs.

Nature Man

(869 posts)
2. other ideas
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 09:38 AM
Jun 2020

1. Daily drug test and DOT alcohol swabs prior to shift

2. Each cop gets reduction in actual police work hours to 20 per week, the other 20 they have to volunteer helping social service agencies. No OT. No outside security gigs.

3. No more armed police.

4. Each officer must carry a liability insurance policy.

5. MANDATORY behavioral health monitoring.




Back on the farm, we had to shoot a rabid animal, I think proposals like these are being generous.

Arkansas Granny

(31,518 posts)
3. Better screening of candidates might be a good place to start.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 09:42 AM
Jun 2020

There are so many ex-military personnel in police departments that I sometimes wonder if PTSD has anything to do with the violent encounters we've seen.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
8. The rotten cops train, partner with, and supervise the new cops.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 09:58 AM
Jun 2020

Screen candidates all you like, but when they're put in that situation, with the cop culture that currently exists, they have little choice but to either turn rotten themselves, or to quit. Either way, there's no improvement in the overall behavior of the police.

Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
10. I had a female friend who was a local cop.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:29 AM
Jun 2020

She put up with a bunch of bs and hung in there. Then they took the bullets out of her back up revolver. She turned in her notice.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
20. Toxic bro-culture. I'm sorry she had to put up with that.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:12 AM
Jun 2020

When police departments act like pighouse fraternities, this is what happens.

2naSalit

(86,647 posts)
22. Same shit with military police.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:31 AM
Jun 2020

My niece was a military cop and was stationed overseas. When she got the states and was training for higher position she was met with the same kind of shit. She made it all the way through the training but did not re-enlist, signed on with a different federal agency.

Liberal In Texas

(13,556 posts)
4. Manditory Certification by an accredited service.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 09:48 AM
Jun 2020

Continuing education required every so many years to keep the certification.
Require they carry personal liability insurance, much like malpractice or errors and omissions insurance.



safeinOhio

(32,688 posts)
11. Another good idea. Republican are
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:54 AM
Jun 2020

always pushing Right to Work laws that include not taking dues out of workers pay check, with one exception. Fire and Police workers and they should do the same.

2naSalit

(86,647 posts)
23. Wildland firefighters have to
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:32 AM
Jun 2020

recertify every year... so should public servants who deal with people every day.

maximusveritas

(2,915 posts)
17. Absolutely not. Psychiatrists are not able to predict anything.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:09 AM
Jun 2020

As they would tell you themselves and as the research and court system have agreed conclusively. That would be a huge waste of money and do nothing.

WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
9. The 'blue wall' must come down...
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 10:28 AM
Jun 2020

Not only do they need much better training and screening there must be mandatory reporting by fellow cops.

Law enforcement officers are mandatory reporters for child abuse/neglect (at least in NY). It needs to be added in all states that they must also be for fellow law enforcement as well and with serious repercussions if they don't.

There also just be reform on the judicial level. There must no longer be judges protecting cops from their negative actions.

Laws must be changed. There are better ways that other countries use so we should look to those countries, learn and then modify things as/if needed to fit our Constitution.

safeinOhio

(32,688 posts)
12. Defund the police departments according
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:02 AM
Jun 2020

to racist enforcement and corruption reports. Make them earn their pay by statistical fairness to all citizens.
Fast, fair changes quickly would happen.

WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
19. That sounds like a very good idea too...
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:11 AM
Jun 2020

I'm not for fully abolishing and defunding but like you describe I think sounds doable and might be helpful.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
15. Put an end to the toxic bro-culture that's in so many PDs.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:05 AM
Jun 2020

That's how the roids and the bigotry and the shitty attitudes spread.

I'm all for the mandatory interventions in cases of excessive physical force, but it needs to go further than that.

In military circles in various times in history, there was the offense of "toleration" - meaning that not only did the person that committed an offense get punished, but everyone who saw it and failed to report it got punished just as harshly.

Seems we have to bring that hammer down on the cops. Right now, they have no honor.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
18. Demilitarize the police. Regular patrol officers shouldn't even have guns - like English bobbies.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:10 AM
Jun 2020

Cops don't need tanks.

Most of them shouldn't even need guns. Regular patrol officers should get a baton and a taser. That's it. If that's not enough to deal with some bad guy, call for backup - only then should they be allowed more gun.

Only a rarely used SWAT team should even have access to M-16s and similar high-firepower weapons. And that SWAT team should legally be only deployable in the case off immediate danger of heavy violence. No-knock raids of people growing pot is unacceptable.

Take the teargas away. ALL of it. It's a barbaric weapon.

Chainfire

(17,550 posts)
27. A huge step
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 01:30 PM
Jun 2020

would be to demilitarize the police. In my rural county, the sheriff's dept. has an armored personnel carrier, machine guns and it wouldn't surprise me if they had heavier weapons. It is as if that they are preparing to go to war against the people. Instead of so much SWAT shit they should invest in a little patience. Instead of knocking down doors, in the middle of the night, they might consider other options first.....They need to lose their black military type fatigues and shaven heads that are intended to intimidate; they can not be allowed to rule by fear.

If the cops are scared of the people, they should find new jobs. Cops should understand that they are not the law, but are there to enforce the law. Their bosses should not be other cops, not professional politicians, but civilians from the community. They should not investigate themselves for wrong doing but have independent civilian review boards. Cops caught lying to protect other cops, or turning their heads from abuse, should be banned from the profession. Cops who assault civilians should be charged as they would charge other criminals. Cops who's body cameras routinely "fail" at convenient times should be removed.

Cops should be of the people, not a force apart. Make no mistake, even if you are lilly white, and middle class, cops are not your friends; they view everyone they come in contact with as potential enemies. If they are ever put in a position of defending you or defending other cops, they will not help you.

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