you are exactly right! Good job putting this into words for me.

Trump can piss and moan all he wants but come inauguration day, he's be wise to leave the premises voluntarily, or face a physical expulsion. So much winning...

-Laelth

Not only does he always back down after big talk, he hides behind walls with prison wire.

Get thee to the greatest page

I don't believe he can and told him to read "Library of Congress Congressional Research Service Memorandum Overview of Electoral College Procedure and the Role of Congress November 17, 2000.

Even get enough Electoral voters in Indiana, Pence home state. They are afraid of Covid 19.

When things were bad.
Things are bad again.

Over the top. That was a great moment for me!

Biden is now 2 points ahead in Ohio with a popular Governor tight now.. But his Republican Legislature is beginning to turn on him. He just sent the National Guard to Columbus. We can hope the State House Gang has a bunker!

I think he'd resign because if he loses he will be 'The Loser' and that's waaaay off of his fictional brand of being a 'Winner' that's swallowed whole by his followers.

Being 'The Loser' won't help him make as much money after he's out - if he sites being the 'most persecuted president', or 'the media has been too much for my family', or whatever other pathetic excuse he can come up then leaves office it will allow him to save face with his most devoted and gullible followers so he can continue to milk them all they have - and even have rallies where he can bask in the grievance of having been treated worse than Lincoln (or whatever).

Basically, if actually loses the election his base will just move on and he Can't. Have. That.

Is heading for bankruptcy any way he goes. He destroyed his own brand that was already teetering. Saudi bailed both Trump and Jared out.

There will be cops waiting for him with handcuffs the minute he shows up at an airport.

Being president is the ONLY thing currently keeping his ass from a jail cell. He is simply not leaving the office, under any circumstances, until he is physically dragged out.

Did Miley do what he asked in the moment and only later regretted it - Hell yes. Is there one instance in our history of the military not following an order by CIC - never. The commanders will follow orders, it's bred in their bones and it's what they will do. Expecting anything else is just wishful thinking because it won't happen. Now some of the rank and file will desert and come over to our side, but the guys at the top will be exhorting them to follow orders.

I also totally don't expect SCOTUS to protect us. Roberts has never in his life ruled against the oligarchs, or for the people in any political matter. He will break off from the other fascists on social issues at times, but anything that's truly important to oligarchs or the right wing - he only votes one way.

Plus, now that Trump has seen pushback from military leaders he has time to eliminate them and replace them with more dependable types. Expect a wave of retirements and reassignments.

The request was for 10,000 troops.
Wasn't it more like 1,400 deployed.
Then, they pulled half out without asking for permission.
I'm not sure Milley was as malleable as you suggest.

When it came time to harass peaceful protestors, he put on his combat gear and walked beside the president, giving his tacit approval. He didn't say anything until afterwards when he was embarassed by his own actions - too late. That is totally what I expect from the military.

14% of what was requested.
We agree totally that the camo performance for the photo op was very bad form.

they won't be following any orders from Trump if Biden has been sworn in.

He will declare martial law due to violence at the polls (from his planted people), the election invalid and stop it before the end of the day 11/3/2020. It will be taken immediately to SCOTUS who will rule in favor of the fascist king. When we take to the streets, the military will come out against us per his orders and we will be in the middle of a civil war or will just quietly become a dictatorship of the oligarchs in every way instead of just most.

If you think this is going to happen, what are you doing now to prepare for this civil war?

He already has a pistol and knows how to use it. We paid off our house and cars to have more liquidity, got double paned windows to be more energy efficient, planted a fig tree and a pecan tree, a veggie garden & got canning supplies. We will be canning a lot of veggies later this summer. I will go back to my part time volunteer work with the FL Dems in Aug. and provide rides to the polls since I will be early voting. Our friends in NZ want us to come live there so that is something we would strongly consider if things get out of control here. We are old and not in great health, so not exactly in street fighting condition, and really have no idea what that would be like here since it's never happened before in this century. Hard to prepare for the unknown. Actually, guess we should get some new Coleman lanterns. We've got an attachment to our pump where we can hand pump water from the well if the electricity goes out, so that might be handy.

And yes, I do have a good imagination.

And I doubt Melanie will be standing there to receive a gift from Dr. Jill...they are both pathetic, petty people.
It's startling and jarring to look back at the pictures of the two of them from the 2017 inauguration, maybe he will be in handcuffs by then.

There's a good chance he'll run away before he suffers a major defeat. His ego couldn't stand it.

I seriously think he has been given a chance to leave with a full pardon and he has refused. He is deluded enough to think he can weather the storm and punch back at his detractors and this time he has fatally miscalculated.

If I am correct, then everyone will dog pile on him at once - allies and enemies - foreign and domestic. It looks like the opening moves have been made these past few days. We'll know for certain if specific things begin to happen in short order:

- The Supreme Court will rule that his taxes must be released to Congress.
- Sitting Republican Senators will openly denounce him.
- The Apprentice tapes of him making racial slurs will surface.
- The Pee Pee Tape may leak.
- New York state may open up criminal charges against him.
- Impeachment proceedings will start again.
- Horrifying stories of crimes he has committed that we didn't even suspect will be reported in the news.
- Most the rats in his administration will abandon his rapidly sinking ship over the next three weeks.
- He will be so openly reviled by the end of this month that Pence, in the name of survival, cannot pardon him.

He has demonstrated skill at deflecting one or two crises at a time because he has had political support up until recently, but he doesn't have the fortitude to survive relentless attacks from all sides simultaneously. I think his fragile narcissist ego is about to be deflated before our eyes.

I could easily see him using the powers of the office to destroy as much as possible before he leaves.

And if that happens, he may just leave for Russia.

Since before he even got the repub nomination in 2016, some DUers have been predicting that he was about to quit.

He was going to drop out of the race for the nomination before the convention. Or during the convention. Or immediately after.
He was going to drop out of the race before the first debate. Or after the debates but before election day.
He was going to renounce the presidency before the EV vote. Or after the EV vote but before the inauguration.
He was going to quit after a few months in office. After one year. After two years. After three years.

None of those predictions were correct. And predictions he will quit in the next month are equally incorrect.

He is becoming more toxic by the hour and it is accelerating.

If what you are saying came true. Nominate someone else. Then I could see him resigning and walking away with some deal for Pence to pardon him.

In my opinion,
Romney is sending smoke signals and telegraphing that he would take the nomination. Colin Powell is saying he is voting for Biden. But I bet he would vote for Romney if the GOP ticket was Romney-Powell 2020.

What he has to put off is the early December voting by the electors. After that, the die is cast and Biden will legally (probably) be president as soon as he can be sworn in. But if Trump can get an injunction stopping the meeting of the electoral college, he can put off the inauguration.

And his pet SCOTUS justices will go along, no doubt, and there we are, constitutional crisis and coup.

He might get indicted the moment he's not president, so he might try to avoid that as long as he can. And we know from Bush v. Gore, the "conservative" majority of the court is definitely eager to intervene.

Pelosi becomes President.

Let him stay there behind that stupid fence.

It will be his prison.

somebody else gets the nomination and he isn't even on the ballot come November?

due to "cheating." And some may comply. Another flaw in our system.

Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan now have Democratic governors. Those three states are the ones that gave him the election in 2016. I doubt if those governors would overrule the voters of their states! NC has a Democratic governor now, as well.

Not even my idiot, DeSantis.

I am thoroughly exasperated by the seemingly endless posts on DU that ask, "What if a defeated Trump refuses to leave the White House?".

Fer cryin' out loud, so what if he does? Occupying that building does not make someone the President. The Constitution does not declare that the President is, "whosoever's butt is in the chair behind the big desk in the Oval Office."

Suppose I manage to get myself included in some VIP tour of the White House, and when we come to the Oval Office, I plunk my own ass down in that chair and refuse to get up. Will that give me the full powers of the presidency until someone pulls me out of the chair?

People have to get real about this. I personally believe that Trump will do absolutely anything, no matter how criminal and treasonous, to hold on to power. But "refusing to leave the White House" will not do the trick for him.

From McDonalds And he would be out in two days.

sounds about right..

He can whine all he wants, but a few weeks later when Biden says the words "So Help Me God" at the end of the Oath of Office, Trumpy is no longer president.

Has t-rump ever finished anything he started or has he run away and left his lawyers ti take care of it??

...The last 6 months in my opinion have cost Trump any chance of being reelected...Killer Virus, stupid comments, murder in Minnesota and Trump's reaction to it..one after another after another. It won't even be close in my opinion.
...If it is not close, then he can't claim anything..If he doesn't leave (and do believe he will leave peacefully, with his family) then the secret service will carry him out under the orders of President Biden.

but I expect the real action will be in the streets. Of course I am not sure how many of his buddies will show up. If the defeat is huge, they may keep their powder dry for another day. If it is close and comes down to a close count in a state or two, things could easily get historic.

He simply won't leave. He will govern his people from his Twitter feed. Congressional Republicans will continue to bow down to his psychophants.

you back a narcissistic Psychopath into a corner with his whole entire world about to be exposed and going down in flames, I suspect we could see an "I'll Show You" reaction......

I worry that he and the RepubliCONs in the Senate would still be in power for 3 months and we have seen how vengeful he and his CABAL can be.....And don't forget about the "football" as an "I'll Show You" to the entire world.

This man is a very very sick, and demented sadistic individual.........

I also suspect that the possibility exists that the RepubliCONs will ditch Trump mid-summer, install Pence as President, install some other Major yes man RepubliCON as VP. That way they would still be able to continue on with their aggressive crap in Destroying the country and Democracy. With Trump being out of there, they would tell the Republican voters that they saw the problem, took care of it, and once again all Republicans are safe to vote for Republicans. With Republican voters feeling good about voting for Pence, (and a little assistance from Putin, China, and the Saudis), they could win the election.....and gallop to the finish line in installing their Corporate Fascist Tyranny.......

...I wouldn't be surprised the day after the election he whines how the system was rigged against him and resigns...just so he doesn't have to shake hands or sit near Biden.

Pence gives him and his family a full pardon....and then its all over. Then Repubs will rally and being the sheeple they are, say they were robbed in the election by the liberals and media.

See Nixon...whom, ironically have some respect for....but none for this dumb shit.

Nixon was given a blanket pardon for all crimes known and unknown.

Of course, there are state crimes...but they usually take their lead from the Feds, so its not likely to happen.

So far, it doesn't seem to be successful.

But, as with all his decisions, he will not need the entire military. He will only need to have three or four Generals to agree with him. He can fire the rest.

That would be all he would need to divide the people and to sell the idea to his cult.