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(15,124 posts)Mitt Romney marching??
I still hate his policies - trying to destroy Social Security and Medicare - but I have more respect for him now.
malaise
(269,063 posts)Bet he thinks he still has a chance
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,740 posts)Obviously he's not afraid of Trump's rage-tweets.
malaise
(269,063 posts)Looks like not all Evangelicals are with the Con
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,740 posts)which is a whole 'nother breed of religious cat. A lot of Christians, both evangelicals and mainstream Christians, consider Mormons to be heretics - and their theology really is pretty weird, even for Christian (or Christian-ish) theology in general (Joseph Smith was probably a huckster like Scientology's L. Ron Hubbard). To their credit, and as seriously weird as they are, Mormons aren't into the hellfire and damnation angle like the fundie megachurches, and many of them have become skeptical of Trump's wicked ways.
tblue37
(65,409 posts)". . . with about 1000 mostly evangelical protesters."
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,740 posts)but they exist. They reject the religious right's emphasis on social issues like abortion and homosexuality, preferring to emphasize the actual teachings of Jesus (who never mentioned abortion or homosexuality). I would bet that those folks, and not the megachurch fundies and Falwellians, were the ones marching with Mitt, and they are likely to forgive his heresy under the circumstances.
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)It means good news. Lots of mainline Protestant churches have it in their name. Even relatively liberal church bodies like the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America have it in their name. ELCA performs same sex marriages and supports the ordination of individuals in same sex relationships.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,740 posts)efhmc
(14,731 posts)Thanks for clarifying this.
niyad
(113,364 posts)hated, a leftwing evangelical. The parish of which she was a member was one that actually followed the teachings of that liberal guy, Jesus. They were a truly loving and spiritual group.
soldierant
(6,890 posts)"Evangel" is Greel for "Gospel" which is Old English for "good news," and it is supposed to be transformative. That is far from "conservative. " "Liberal doesn't exactly describe it either, but it's much closer.
onetexan
(13,043 posts)Hopefully with Mitt coming out publicly he will not support the Idiot's reelection, more Mormons will follow his lead and vote the Idiot out in the fall.
mvd
(65,174 posts)He wont be able to keep up with his rage tweets. Good for Romney - wish he would support other measures that help equality.
leftieNanner
(15,124 posts)Ann still has her prom dress in the closet from 2012 when she believed the Fox News hype that they were going to win (per Dick Morris) in a landslide.
The problem for us would be if he somehow became the nominee (even though the MAGAts HATE him for his Senate vote) - he might pull it off. Doubt Ass Face would step down for him though.
malaise
(269,063 posts)leftieNanner
(15,124 posts)on stage on election night in the floor length dress with her blonde hair up in a "prom do". I laughed at her then. I doubt her entitled attitude has changed much.
malaise
(269,063 posts)A red dress - see it here
https://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ann+Romney+Republican+Presidential+Candidate+ShSyoS4DJlJl.jpg
PTWB
(4,131 posts)malaise
(269,063 posts)but I'll never be a fan
NCjack
(10,279 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)people like that with recorders around trump. Omarosa might have gotten some very damning stuff if she had lasted longer too.
Have to admit though, Romney, unless the best actor in the world, seems like he may have seen the light? He seems different now. But I am about 60% confident on that.
malaise
(269,063 posts)We know that he's an opportunist but they all are and he voted correctly re removing him.
Auggie
(31,174 posts)2024
PatSeg
(47,508 posts)without embracing his policies or politics. This is pretty impressive, though I would never really trust him.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)47 percent!
Omaha Steve
(99,662 posts)He is trying to sneak it in when we aren't looking.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Response to SMC22307 (Reply #3)
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UncleTomsEvilBrother
(945 posts)Link to tweet
?s=20
lindysalsagal
(20,692 posts)Someone remind me when the mormons finally decided black people were'nt from the devil, after all?
Was that last week, or the week before?????
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)photos with everyone else.
At the least, he is a very mixed blessing, but he does seem to have the shred of a moral core that other republicans don't have.
erronis
(15,303 posts)So many stories floating around, not sure which one to go with.
How is Bain Capital doing? Did Mittens (RMoney) get a few billions out while killing companies?
I REALLY want to like some old establishment dude but the current crop seems washed out.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)with what I know. The grandchild seemed happy and comfortably a part of that big family.
Does that make what Romney did in regards to raiding companies right? No, not close, that is why I never want to see him hold office higher than he has now, while he has a shred of morals, that shred is very thin and untrustworthy.
erronis
(15,303 posts)My post was unnecessarily snarky.
Children deserve the best lives that we can give them.
As someone said:
"Let the children of the poor eat as well as the dogs of the rich."
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)children are given good care and treated the same, regardless of wealth.
lindysalsagal
(20,692 posts)bbernardini
(9,938 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,586 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)or is thrown out on his ear. We should fear this. We want to run against Trump.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Anything.
leftieNanner
(15,124 posts)But all of his Republican enablers need to be destroyed too. We don't want a "reasonable sounding" Republican to slither in and make nice. It's time to clean house!
Squinch
(50,955 posts)JI7
(89,252 posts)Romney won the nomination in 2012 becsuse the crazies split their vote between Gingrich and santorum.
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)And look what happened.
I do fear a Romney run. But I fear a Trump second term far far more.
tableturner
(1,683 posts)Trump's hardcore supporters would have a fit, regardless of the reason for the replacement. Many of them would not turn out to vote. A split GOP loses in a landslide!
gulliver
(13,186 posts)Cosmocat
(14,566 posts)until he has absolutely no say in it.
That said, he absolutely is positioning for 2024 IF Biden can win and get into office.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)Like Coke Classic
Hes not into the new extra crazy racist Republican Party
Hes more aligned with the Steve Schmidt crew
He might not come out and say hes voting for Biden
But hell at this point he just might!
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Republicans were critical to passing the voters rights act
Then Nixon defeated Romney for the nomination and sold the Republican record on civil rights to a southern strategy.
History would have been much different had Romney defeated Nixon.
FreeState
(10,572 posts)That and he was going directly against his churches orders by marching with them. The church didnt allow black members to go to the temple or hold the priesthood until 1978.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/08/how-george-romney-championed-civil-rights-and-challenged-his-church/261073/
Romney was one of a number of moderate and liberal Republicans who strongly supported the Civil Rights Bill of 1964 and, at the Republican Party convention, worked on behalf of efforts to include an anti-discrimination plank in the party platform. When the party's presidential nominee, Barry Goldwater, opposed the bill, Romney refused to support Goldwater's candidacy for the presidency. When asked whether he would be campaigning on behalf of Goldwater, he said (with his characteristic directness), "You know darn well I'm not."
The irony is that George Romney championed Civil Rights at a time when his church was theologically opposed to the idea of innate equality. Romney could not bring himself to condemn his church publicly (in spite of his private views) for its policy of denying the "priesthood" to black men.
In 1964, the year King won the Nobel Peace Prize, George Romney was the most powerful Mormon in American politics and was gearing up for a presidential run in 1968. The LDS hierarchy took note and worried about his positions on civil rights. Delbert L. Stapley, a high-ranking member of the LDS (who was born the year the Supreme Court ruled that segregation was constitutional and died the year the LDStroubled. "After listening to your talk on Civil Rights, I am very much concerned. Several others have expressed the same concern to me." The letter was "personal" and not an "official Church position" but it still came on letterhead that read, "The Council of the Twelve."
. . .
But just as Romney shrugged off the "curse of Ham" folklore of Stapley and other leaders of the LDS church, Martin Luther King recognized in the elder Romney a valuable political ally in the struggle, regardless of his church's policies. Their alliance seems inconceivable today, even though, since the mid-1960s, so much has changed.
In 1968 I was 14 and like Hillary Clinton in a Goldwater house. George Romney was the moderate wing of the Republican Party's hope to get the nomination. Nixon twisted Romney's views on Vietnam (Romney had used the word 'brainwashed') and his lead disappeared.
In a strange coincidence a grandson of George Romney was my classmate and when he discovered that my ancestor was Heber J Grant (the second longest serving President of the Mormon Church but someone that was never discussed in my household) he would educate me on HJG and I would tell him stories about GR and how he was supporting MLK, something that they evidently didn't share in his household.
A Romney nomination in 68 would have put is in an alternative, and much better, universe.
No Southern strategy but two political parties supporting civil rights.
renate
(13,776 posts)Im always happy (I mean this, Im not being snarky) to hear evidence of a GOPer having good qualities. We all have to live here together, whoevers in power, so positive information about any of them is a good thing.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)- Goldwater viewed abortion as a matter of personal choice and as such supported abortion rights
- in his final term voted consistently to uphold legalized abortion and in 1981 gave a speech on how he was angry about the bullying of American politicians by religious organizations, and would "fight them every step of the way"
- After his retirement in 1987, Goldwater described the Arizona Governor Evan Mecham as "hardheaded" and called on him to resign, and two years later stated that the Republican party had been taken over by a "bunch of kooks"
- 'When you say "radical right" today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye.'
- In response to Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell's opposition to the nomination of Sandra Day O'Connor to the Supreme Court, of which Falwell had said, "Every good Christian should be concerned", Goldwater retorted: "Every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass."
- He endorsed Democrat Karan English in an Arizona congressional race, urged Republicans to lay off Bill Clinton over the Whitewater scandal, and criticized the military's ban on homosexuals
- A few years before his death, he addressed establishment Republicans by saying, "Do not associate my name with anything you do. You are extremists, and you've hurt the Republican party much more than the Democrats have."
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)NBachers
(17,122 posts)They actually used to exist, you know.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)When he returned from Mexico (where his family moved to avoid "The Decree" that was - ironically - issued by my and future Senator Bennett's ancestor, against polygamy ) he had to rely on welfare to help him get started.
https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2012/09/19/161409916/welfare-wasnt-always-a-dirty-word-in-the-romney-family
LENORE ROMNEY: "You know we've only owned our home for the last four years. He was a refugee from Mexico. He was on relief, welfare relief for the first years of his life. But this great country gave him opportunities.
anamnua
(1,114 posts)Go the whole hog and bring everything to its logical conclusion:
Switch parties.
erronis
(15,303 posts)then base your platform on those.
Not wedge issues that Rove, Gingrich and others cooked up. Go for economic conservatism with a huge dose of social justice.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)after Trump loses in a landslide.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)qazplm135
(7,447 posts)People can be very moral in one way, and very immoral in another.
Seems pretty clear that on economic issues, Romney is fairly immoral.
But on equality issues, seems like the guy is pretty solid.
So, like most humans, he's a mixed bag of bad and good.
Would never vote for him, but can appreciate that he has some decency in him.
Even if he did vacation with his dog on top of the family car.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)and his supporters would start saying how manly it is that Trump doesn't care about dogs.
AdamGG
(1,292 posts)Granted, he had a state legislature that was 85% Democratic, so he had to work with them, but Obamacare was basically Massachusetts Romneycare.
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)gonna wait another 4 years. Hope our side is prepared for the "I don't like Biden or tRUMP so I'll vote for Romney as a protest". tRUMP cheats in swing states, ties in Electoral votes and S Court decides once again for a RePUKE. #VoteBlue
awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)1 out of 1000.
dweller
(23,642 posts)it's Pierre Delecto
plausible deniability and all that ...
✌🏼
paleotn
(17,931 posts)For some anyways. Others have quadrupled down and are destined for the dustbin of history. 50 years from now, high school and college kids will point at them and snicker...."WTF was wrong with those people?!"
KG
(28,751 posts)elleng
(130,974 posts)For information, that's the FBI building in the background.
Karadeniz
(22,537 posts)Auto industry for their personal gain. He was opposed to the bailout. Black lives matter so much to him, he'd have left thousands unemployed.
AdamGG
(1,292 posts)Doubt it will ever happen, but would be a principled move to declare themselves independents and caucus with the Democrats, at least until Trump is gone and the Republican party is less insane.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)In blue states.
Alex4Martinez
(2,193 posts)BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)about black Mormons but I do know there are LOTS of Pacific Islanders who are Mormon.
nevergiveup
(4,762 posts)and quite progressive on civil rights so I reckon Mitt inherited at least a few good genes. He voted to impeach Trump and now he is marching for racial justice so for the moment I am not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. Every little bit helps and there is the added bonus that this will drive Trump crazy.
Frances
(8,545 posts)Mormons are divided into wards the way Catholics are divided into parishes
And another post says they marched from a ward
There are lots of Mormons in the DC area
I did not vote for Romney but I am happy to see him marching with Mormons because Im glad to see representatives of a large religious group standing up for black lives matter
msongs
(67,420 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Having a prominent white Republican join the protests gives them additional legitimacy as a multiracial, bipartisan movement for change, and it helps to undercut those who are trying to define the protests as race riots.
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)Not that Romney was much of a trump supporter ... he did vote for one impeachment count ...
But ... maybe ... he will help crack open the floodgates for more defectors
The examples of Serbia, Ukraine, and Tunisia show how even the subservient unexpectedly break from a leader once that leader is doomed to illegitimacy. And to an extent, the cycle of abandonment has already begun. Jim Mattiss excoriation of his old boss prodded Trumps former chief of staff John Kelly and Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska to echo his condemnation of the president.** As each defector wins praise for moral courage, it incentivizes the next batch of defectors.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)as long as it doesn't count. He's good for a vote, when he knows his vote isn't a deciding vote. I wish I could be charitable.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)Trump's eyes - and to me, that's golden.
We HAVE to bring down trump in any way we can - afterward we'll sort out what's next.
Gothmog
(145,330 posts)exboyfil
(17,863 posts)situation.
So will the cultists sit at home if Trump suddenly develops health problems and decides to not run for reelection? You make certain guarantees about his personal assets and the promise to derail any federal prosecution (not to mention influencing state prosecutions), and he might even buy into it.
JHB
(37,161 posts)Whether he'll even get out of the driveway remains to be seen.
luv2fly
(2,475 posts)But we've seen what lurks in his heart. Good on you Mitt but you have a long way to go.
mcar
(42,334 posts)dhill926
(16,347 posts)to what is no doubt going to be a very interesting summer...
AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)cant call him antifa now, lol
Cha
(297,323 posts)IronLionZion
(45,460 posts)and blocked his legislation in the Senate
malaise
(269,063 posts)Romney's father was more progressive than him but give him his due.
mountain grammy
(26,626 posts)He wouldnt have dismantled the pandemic response team. He wouldnt have ignored the briefings in November. We wouldnt have over 100,000 dead I know this. Romney knows this.
samsingh
(17,599 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,191 posts)You think Senate Republicans will stick with Trump for the election?
Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)As crazy it sounds, Trump somehow still has enough enthusiastic and reluctant supporters that he could win in 2020. Them putting in Romney would turn off a huge number of Trump cultists who view anyone other than Trump as an evil deep stater. I mean, that would be awesome if it did happen, but I can't see the never trumpers getting their way on this. Would be amusing to watch Trump react to that, though.
SiliconValley_Dem
(1,656 posts)Hip2bSquare
(291 posts)Can I be a bit skeptical? Not to look a gift horse in the mouth, it is a great, wonderful thing for him to do, but is he positioning himself in a certain position, if not for 2024, but maybe in case the orange buffoon doesn't make it on the ticket. There are predictions that bunker boy won't make it on the ballot. Lord willing!
C Moon
(12,213 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)
..he'll stop talking secret deals to defend SS and Medicare.
Just because he's not a thug like Trump doesn't mean he won't mug you, like any other Repug.
Kaleva
(36,312 posts)"Get over yourself, ya pathetic, lying POS."
"Romney is turning in a creepy clown."
"He never misses an opportunity to embarrass himself.
What a pathetic person."
"Romney = traitor"
"Romney is a big sissy boy."
"Scum."
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)May there be many more following their example.
ecstatic
(32,712 posts)and others!
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)I see a white man marching while chanting Black Lives Matter. I will not criticize that.
Its more than I have done.
And his dad was a real champion of civil rights. LBJ could not have passed his legislation with out liberal Republicans who remembered Lincoln helping him.
oasis
(49,390 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)but I'm coming around. He seems to be a very much more reasonable fellow than most Reptilians these days.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)seem a lot more reasonable.
Sugarcoated
(7,724 posts)Mittens! 😳😲
northoftheborder
(7,572 posts)I was alive then, but not paying attention to those kind of details. I do know there used to be reasonable, sane Republicans with whom Democrats could, and did, work with in Congress & elsewhere. Always differences in philosophy of governing, but Republicans who could collaborate to create unified progress.
Those like Mitt have been "underground" until lately, and I guess late is better than ever to show the courage of your convictions. But after Trump is gone, don't hold your breath that "reasonable Republicans" will return in droves. They are mostly in the grave.
keithbvadu2
(36,829 posts)Mitt is old enough to have believed that blacks were not fit for full membership in the church.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=mormons+black+people+souls
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https://religionnews.com/2018/06/11/40-years-later-most-mormons-still-believe-the-racist-priesthood-temple-ban-was-gods-will/
Blacks just werent spiritually ready to have the priesthood until 1978.
This one hit the news as recently as 2012, when a BYU professor was quoted in the Washington Post as claiming that the ban was actually to the benefit of blacks, because they were not prepared for the responsibility until then. He compared the situation to a child asking for car keys before being mature enough to use them. That same month, the LDS Church issued a statement that disavowed this professors reasoning. (Some explanations with respect to this matter were made in the absence of direct revelation and references to these explanations are sometimes cited in publications. These previous personal statements do not represent Church doctrine.) But that same statement also leaned heavily upon Reason #4, which was . . .
George II
(67,782 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)The dog on the roof story got a lot of play here. I think Romney is looking out for his future Presidential ambitions and will probably pick up a lot of votes if he does run on a national ticket again.
bucolic_frolic
(43,191 posts)See? They only care about Senate Control. That's Mitch's power center.