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LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 08:47 AM Jun 2020

Wes Clark - Former NATO supreme commander: The tide is turning on Trump

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How do you evaluate Donald Trump as a leader?

Trump is a very good example of what not to do and be as a leader. He doesn’t take responsibility. He doesn’t build trust. He doesn’t bring people together. He doesn’t do his homework and understand the details of the decisions he’s making. He doesn’t think through the strategic consequences.

Donald Trump is a transactional leader. He thinks that being president of the United States is the same as buying real estate. Donald Trump also believes that he can use reckless rhetoric and that there will not be any consequences. In both international and domestic politics, language has consequences. Trump’s abusive language is very problematic.

Reliability and consistency are very important. Trump does not have those qualities.

As the president of the United States, he represents the whole country. The United States has spent 75 years since the end of World War II assuring the world that we had strong values and that was true across administrations. America also made sure the world understood that we were reliable. President Trump has discarded those values.

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https://www.alternet.org/2020/06/former-nato-supreme-commander-the-tide-is-turning-on-trump/
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Wes Clark - Former NATO supreme commander: The tide is turning on Trump (Original Post) LiberalArkie Jun 2020 OP
trump only transacts for himself samsingh Jun 2020 #1
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Jun 2020 #2
I agree with the analysis gratuitous Jun 2020 #3
I read an interesting article on the media in the NYT this morning. Lonestarblue Jun 2020 #15
you're right. excellent piece. thanks for the link. stopdiggin Jun 2020 #23
I agree stopdiggin -- recommend link/analysis from Lonestarblue (nt) TreadSoftly Jun 2020 #40
How come General Clark never ran for office? PJMcK Jun 2020 #4
Thought so! :) He ran in 2004 but dropped out and endorsed Sen. Kerry. Hortensis Jun 2020 #5
My favorite True Blue American Jun 2020 #12
Much to admire for sure. I like Admiral Stavridis too, smart power Hortensis Jun 2020 #16
Surprised Trump did say True Blue American Jun 2020 #17
:) I'm guessing 1 minute in Stavridis' company made Trump Hortensis Jun 2020 #19
MY favorite, STILL IS! elleng Jun 2020 #50
He was drafted to run for president IronLionZion Jun 2020 #7
Yes, and I was part of that movement! elleng Jun 2020 #51
Raised in Little Rock... LiberalArkie Jun 2020 #9
He did! He was running for President in either 2001 or 2004, I can't recall which. Texin Jun 2020 #13
'04 elleng Jun 2020 #49
Unfortunately "not polished enough" RhodeIslandOne Jun 2020 #24
I think his biggest issue was that he got in too late. Crunchy Frog Jun 2020 #33
He got some bad advice, elleng Jun 2020 #48
I supported him for the 2004 nomination. Crunchy Frog Jun 2020 #32
Me too. Ilsa Jun 2020 #38
Yes, and when he's mentioned, we all come out! elleng Jun 2020 #46
Always admired him...glad he keeps himself in the public eye. Karadeniz Jun 2020 #34
He DID, PJ, sorry you missed it, elleng Jun 2020 #41
He did run for office - for President against Bush's 2nd term. northoftheborder Jun 2020 #6
I liked Gen. Wesley Clark. "You want machine guns? We got 'em. Join the army." If only... Evolve Dammit Jun 2020 #8
I liked him too AllyCat Jun 2020 #28
Putin does not approve of this post. Kid Berwyn Jun 2020 #10
Clear as day malaise Jun 2020 #11
Voted for him yr he ran in dem primary. OK was only state he won bobbieinok Jun 2020 #14
Saw him many times that year! (in DC) elleng Jun 2020 #45
+1 keithbvadu2 Jun 2020 #18
The Tide? Or the OCEAN? Northof American Jun 2020 #20
Maybe put his name in the opening post? left-of-center2012 Jun 2020 #21
Yay! PatrickforO Jun 2020 #22
trumps favorite team is the washington generals cynical_idealist Jun 2020 #25
I still have my Clark 04 cap. gulliver Jun 2020 #26
I was cleaning out a drawer last week and found two autographed pictures renate Jun 2020 #29
Me too (on Clark in the admin). I remember people saying he should be SecDef. gulliver Jun 2020 #30
That, and I wanted him as National Security Advisor! elleng Jun 2020 #44
I have my pins! elleng Jun 2020 #43
❤️❤️❤️ Clark nt live love laugh Jun 2020 #27
110k dead from his recklessly bad pandemic response; US military attacking Americans. SunSeeker Jun 2020 #31
I swatted at alternet's aggressive ad pusher for a few rounds and gave up. lindysalsagal Jun 2020 #35
What Wes fails to see: Putin got him elected by the EC. Lock him up. Jun 2020 #36
Kick zentrum Jun 2020 #37
K & R IllinoisBirdWatcher Jun 2020 #39
Gen. Wesley Clark on Trump and the protests: "We are seeing the turning of the tide" elleng Jun 2020 #42
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2020 #47
' language has consequences. Trump's abusive language is very problematic.' elleng Jun 2020 #52
I met him at a political event in 04 The Wizard Jun 2020 #53
Neat! elleng Jun 2020 #55
I was a Clarkie and spent the campaign on his website blog-which was great. UncleNoel Jun 2020 #54
HI, Noel! elleng Jun 2020 #56

samsingh

(17,599 posts)
1. trump only transacts for himself
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 08:57 AM
Jun 2020

look at everything he does. His first inclination is to say no if he's asked for something. It's about what HE gets, not what the country gets. Its seems to me that he would rather cut a deal with a murderous dictator in NK for a future hotel rather than help an ally that is being hit by a hurricane.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
3. I agree with the analysis
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 09:01 AM
Jun 2020

But not one word of it hasn't been obvious for five years. Just unsaid by anyone in the media. If the media will now be allowing this kind of critique of Trump into print and on the air, the tide could at last be turning. Will the common good finally outweigh the money that folks such as Les Moonves found so irresistible last election? And will there be an accounting this time around?

Lonestarblue

(10,015 posts)
15. I read an interesting article on the media in the NYT this morning.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 10:07 AM
Jun 2020

At least some reporters are pushing to cover issues with more truth and less equivocating or placating a corrupt president.

“Now, as America is wrestling with the surging of a moment that began in August 2014, its biggest newsrooms are trying to find common ground between a tradition that aims to persuade the widest possible audience that its reporting is neutral and journalists who believe that fairness on issues from race to Donald Trump requires clear moral calls.

The conflict exploded in recent days into public protests at The New York Times, ending in the resignation of its top Opinion editor on Sunday; The Philadelphia Inquirer, whose executive editor resigned on Saturday over the headline “Buildings Matter, Too” and the ensuing anger from his staff; and The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. And it has been the subject of quiet agony at The Washington Post, which Mr. Lowery left earlier this year, months after the executive editor, Martin Baron, threatened to fire him for expressing his views on Twitter about race, journalism and other subjects.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/07/business/media/new-york-times-washington-post-protests.html?action=click&module=News&pgtype=Homepage

stopdiggin

(11,317 posts)
23. you're right. excellent piece. thanks for the link.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:07 AM
Jun 2020

lots of people (from all walks) laboring to do the right thing. The naysayers too often get the bullhorn .. (and too much weight?)
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PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
4. How come General Clark never ran for office?
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 09:04 AM
Jun 2020

He's smart, a clear thinker and he's tremendously accomplished.

I don't now his political views but the opinions he voiced in this interview are those of an American patriot.

Like VP Biden, he's the kind of leader we need going forward.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. Thought so! :) He ran in 2004 but dropped out and endorsed Sen. Kerry.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 09:16 AM
Jun 2020

Every now and then he's asked by admirers but says no.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Much to admire for sure. I like Admiral Stavridis too, smart power
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 10:18 AM
Jun 2020

advocate considered for HRC's VP and SecState. And now I've pretty much shot my wad for "the generals," as Trump calls them.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
17. Surprised Trump did say
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 10:24 AM
Jun 2020

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Say, “ My,” but it is pretty clear they are not!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. :) I'm guessing 1 minute in Stavridis' company made Trump
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 10:41 AM
Jun 2020

realize, if he hadn't already, that the admiral was emphatically not his type. Vice versa would not have occurred to him, of course, but in any case probably just an exercise in vanity.

IronLionZion

(45,460 posts)
7. He was drafted to run for president
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 09:24 AM
Jun 2020

it seemed a bit Eisenhower-esque. He's a well educated thoughtful liberal Dem

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
24. Unfortunately "not polished enough"
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:34 AM
Jun 2020

I don't think he liked campaigning. Just never seemed to find a foothold. Like Bob Graham in '04.

Crunchy Frog

(26,587 posts)
33. I think his biggest issue was that he got in too late.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 05:57 PM
Jun 2020

He chose not to take part in the Iowa caucuses, and got pretty much crushed by John Kerry's momentum post Iowa.

I think things might have gone very differently if he'd gotten in a few months earlier, and had enough time to build a proper ground game.

elleng

(130,974 posts)
41. He DID, PJ, sorry you missed it,
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 04:08 AM
Jun 2020

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a major part of my 'early' political experience!

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
14. Voted for him yr he ran in dem primary. OK was only state he won
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 10:01 AM
Jun 2020

He came to town. I went to see him and even got to ask a question

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
21. Maybe put his name in the opening post?
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 10:56 AM
Jun 2020

Retired Gen. Wesley Clark, the former NATO supreme allied commander in Europe.

Clark is now a senior fellow at UCLA’s Burkle Center for International Relations and director of the Atlantic Council. His many honors and awards include the Presidential Medal of Freedom and Commander of the Legion of Honor (France).

renate

(13,776 posts)
29. I was cleaning out a drawer last week and found two autographed pictures
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 05:24 PM
Jun 2020

I’d love to see more of him in the next administration!

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
31. 110k dead from his recklessly bad pandemic response; US military attacking Americans.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 05:41 PM
Jun 2020

I would certainly hope his numbers are going down.

lindysalsagal

(20,692 posts)
35. I swatted at alternet's aggressive ad pusher for a few rounds and gave up.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 06:50 PM
Jun 2020

There's nothing you can to to stop the popups. PIece of garbage.

Lock him up.

(6,933 posts)
36. What Wes fails to see: Putin got him elected by the EC.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 08:04 PM
Jun 2020

Drumph called on Russia to hack and publish Clinton's emails: Russia responded the same day.

Russian troll bots populate his Twitter feed to propagate real "Fake News" on each of his tweets & retweets.

Look at America today compared to 3.5 years ago: Wes Clark and everybody should come to the real conclusions.

Michael Cohen (who serves a 3-year sentence in jail having plotted on tape with the maggot to defraud Electoral-Funding for illegal payments to a porn star) said under oath that the plan to build a dRumph tower in Moscow was on-going during the campaign.

Drumph is fighting in court to keep his tax returns secret, while he said he would be "happy" to release them more than 4 years ago.

Read the (redacted) Mueller Report. How many crimes is Barr hiding??

Clear conclusion to everyone paying attention: Drumph was and is a Russian mole.

Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

elleng

(130,974 posts)
52. ' language has consequences. Trump's abusive language is very problematic.'
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 04:35 AM
Jun 2020

Thanks for this, Arkie; now I can get some rest.

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
53. I met him at a political event in 04
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 07:08 AM
Jun 2020

I used his radio call sign from Vietnam. Caught him by surprise and he appreciated that we were in the same division but not at the same time. He's an authentic badass. This is what real leadership looks and sounds like.

UncleNoel

(864 posts)
54. I was a Clarkie and spent the campaign on his website blog-which was great.
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 07:24 AM
Jun 2020

Wes was in second place in New Hampshire and Kerry and Edwards were way down in single digits when they unexpectedly topped the Iowa caucuses and came roaring into NH. Kerry went on to win but Clark got second place in many states while Edwards came in first only in his home state (favorite son) and Clark outbid him elsewhere. Then came the blackout in Tennessee and Wes, seeing the handwriting on the wall, flew to meet with Kerry and supported him. It was a surprise that Edwards was chosen as VP as many excected Clark to get the position. Edwards then sort of drifted out of the spotlight, a bad choice.

I hope Clark gets a prominent position in the Biden administration (Sec of Defense, Ambassador to the United Nations, whatever). Wes is, as they say, a national treasure.

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