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madaboutharry

(40,221 posts)
Sat Jun 13, 2020, 11:56 PM Jun 2020

Where are cops trained to shot a man running away?

The problem is they allow the wrong people to become law enforcement officers. Police departments need to change the way they recruit and train police. The bar is obviously very low. I’m not going to say every police officer is an idiot or a racist, but they have got to get those who are out of the departments.

Mr. Brooks was running away. He was not a threat to them. These cops need to be charged with murder.

It is the 21st goddamn century and we’re still dealing with this?

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Where are cops trained to shot a man running away? (Original Post) madaboutharry Jun 2020 OP
Kind of hard for the officer to claim his life was threatened. captain queeg Jun 2020 #1
Not sure they are "trained" to do that, but they do. I can understand it Hoyt Jun 2020 #2
Supposed he used the taser to assault a citizen and they sued the police? zak247 Jun 2020 #7
I agree. I don' think this case is anything like George Floyd, that was clear misuse of force. Hoyt Jun 2020 #10
When I was eight years old bmbmd Jun 2020 #3
They aren't. Corgigal Jun 2020 #4
what no one is mentioning....... quickesst Jun 2020 #5
Black neighborhoods stillcool Jun 2020 #6
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2020 #9
SCOTUS zak247 Jun 2020 #8
Theyre not. Only in extreme cases can u shoot a fleeing "felon". NY Penal. jmg257 Jun 2020 #11
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. Not sure they are "trained" to do that, but they do. I can understand it
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 12:11 AM
Jun 2020

when it’s a wanton, especially armed, criminal where there is a good chance if they get away they will harm other people. I think in that case, you have to stop them, but not necessarily emptying your gun at them.

In others cases, like what appeared to happen in Atlanta, shooting is questionable. This one does have an obvious struggle and a suspect grabbing a taser, but — in the comfort of my house, not having to make a split second decision — the shooting doesn’t appear necessary. Then again, if they pulled him out of car, threw him down, got on his back to handcuff him to avoid any chance of a struggle, they would have been criticized too.

My gut says that they should have let him run, and tracked him down, unless they knew he beat up the driver and carjacked the car. That ain’t the case here.

 

zak247

(251 posts)
7. Supposed he used the taser to assault a citizen and they sued the police?
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 02:09 AM
Jun 2020

or that citizen was hurt or killed.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
10. I agree. I don' think this case is anything like George Floyd, that was clear misuse of force.
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:52 AM
Jun 2020

bmbmd

(3,088 posts)
3. When I was eight years old
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 12:18 AM
Jun 2020

say, 1963-My family got a VIP tour of the FBI building with Deke DeLoach his own self. (My aunt was an LBJ assistant/advisor) As a nine year old boy, I was most interested in the shooting gallery. Mr. DeLoach said he needed to re-certify anyway, so he picked up a tommy gun and fired away at a silhouette target. My sister still has that target-positive points for knees and legs, negative points for head and chest. There was a time when law officers were taught "shoot to stop". Now, seems to be "shoot to kill". (Spoiler-he shot the target's knees out with surgical precision).

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
4. They aren't.
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 12:24 AM
Jun 2020

Besides, they had the car with a vin and a tag.

Wendy’s could have towed the car, the cops wouldn’t get a DUI, but the driver would have to pay an expensive tow.

I’m so confused what has changed in law enforcement. Maybe it’s the people they hire now, or more likely the training of us vs them. It wasn’t always that way.

Then again, the Republican Party also confuses me. What they use to represent and what they do now.

We have to make this all better.

quickesst

(6,283 posts)
5. what no one is mentioning.......
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 12:31 AM
Jun 2020

....is that after grabbing the taser the man turned around and fired it at the officer. Is that a reason for the officer to shoot him in the back? Of course not. A taser is a non-lethal weapon, and the officer shot this man after the taser had been deployed and was no longer a threat. It will be a talking point for his defense, but should easily be taken apart by any competent prosecutor. This is a murder, as sure as mr. Floyd was murdered, and the officer should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. This shit has to stop.

 

zak247

(251 posts)
8. SCOTUS
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 02:17 AM
Jun 2020

says only if a cop feels he or the public or another officer is in danger can they shoot.

A few, red states of course, like Florida have reasons other than that to shoot.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
11. Theyre not. Only in extreme cases can u shoot a fleeing "felon". NY Penal.
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 02:00 PM
Jun 2020
S 35.30 Justification; use of physical force in making an arrest or in
preventing an escape.
1. A police officer or a peace officer...

except that
deadly physical force may be used for such purposes only when he or she
reasonably believes that:
(a) The offense committed by such person was:
(i) a felony or an attempt to commit a felony involving the use or
attempted use or threatened imminent use of physical force against a
person; or
(ii) kidnapping, arson, escape in the first degree, burglary in the
first degree or any attempt to commit such a crime; or
(b) The offense committed or attempted by such person was a felony and
that, in the course of resisting arrest therefor or attempting to escape
from custody, such person is armed with a firearm or deadly weapon; or
(c) Regardless of the particular offense which is the subject of the
arrest or attempted escape, the use of deadly physical force is
necessary to defend the police officer or peace officer or another
person from what the officer reasonably believes to be the use or
imminent use of deadly physical force.


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