Not gunned down in the parking lot.

He would have been arrested and probably not gunned down in the parking lot. Let’s not muddy the waters of this unjustified killing by amping up the hyperbole.

A frat boy would have been arrested for DUI. If he fought back he would have been manhandled and arrested.

It is unlikely he would have been murdered for resisting arrest.

He would NOT have been given a ride home with a stop for a milkshake.

they stopped off for some fast food courtesy treatment on the way to Jail. It's not far fetched at all.

Or why that may be appropriate?

Your suggestion was that the police would drive him home and stop by for a milkshake on the way. That’s insanity. Is it your position that the police don’t arrest white drunk drivers?

That white people are also arrested for DUI or you have no idea that you’re talking about regarding Roof and Burger King?

...that the guy didn't deserve to die and that it should be handled better. Rayshard wasn't tortured like George Floyd was before murder. True.

My question is, then: What level of death of a Black citizen actually warrants riots? What response would you prescribe for this particular "incident?"

this is incident is everyday life for a black person..all to do with race and police thugs..

...all Black people will understand or sympathize. The statement that it would simply take a Black person to understand how this incident impacts other Black people.

Then again, the angry response to these incidents are not just by Black people. I can't authenticate the video, but there is one on Twitter showing a young white woman starting the fire at Wendy's.

Again.

They shot an unarmed man in the back while he was running away.

That’s murder.

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Jeebus fucking christ on a cracker! Are you serious!! This post is absurd. Shot in the back and killed for falling asleep in a drive thru lane?

See, your attitude shows exactly what the problem is. You see nothing wrong with this. SMH.

And your reaction and the reaction of the protesters are going to be the reason we lose this momentum on holding real racists accountable.

You really think its okay to shoot someone in the back?/ Really? Seriously?

Do us a favor. Never apply for a position on the police force. Please. Even the mayor said this was wrong. The cop who did it was instantly terminated and the police chief resigned, but you see no problem.

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All I said is this is nothing like the Floyd case or any of the cases that I have seen or read about over the last decade and I am not sure it has to do with race or police brutality. More like police incompetence where the officers involved need to be held accountable.

black man. And it keeps happening over and over and over. What about this case makes it nothing like the Floyd case? To be sure, there are some differences, but you say NOTHING like the Floyd case?

This has nothing to do with race or police brutality!?

Ok.

Acting a damn fool and resisting arrest... (holy crap, I sound like a right winger), again that doesn’t mean he should have been killed or the cops shouldn’t be held accountable, but adding this to the list of cases like Floyd, Philando Castille, Breonna Taylor, Tamir Rice, etc... is ridiculous......And unfortunately doesn’t reach the people who we need it to reach...

That suburban white lady from “you pick a place” will see that Floyd video and say “oh my gosh, that’s wrong, things need to change” but will see this video and say “why was he so violent”...but if we act as if they are the same, the next time she sees a video like the Floyd video she will get dismissive and will be like “they always protest no matter what”....and unfortunately, those are the types that we need on our side to make actual change happen right or wrong

The autopsy report will clear up the existing uncertainty whether Rayshard was shot in the back or in his side or front. It appears that, while Rayshard was running, he turned and pointed the taser at the officers. It may be that it was when Rayshard turned that the officer fired his weapon.

His taser use caused the offiver to “stumble”, then fire once he recovered.

I saw another video of the actual shooting, the first video I saw was just of the fight with the shooting off screen. Different perspective now.

with their interactions with the police. Mr Floyd's death is one case of brutality. But there are many variants on the theme. "Incompetence" with police seem to happen with black/latinos/people of color far more than they ever do with whites. What is it about black lives that police officers feel that lethal force is their first and only option?

For the people on the streets, there is no momentum.

Most people wouldn’t dare say “black lives matter”....now a lot of companies are putting out statements with that phrase....Drew Brees made comments about kneeling during the anthem being disrespectful which would have been seen as patriotic a couple ago, but he had to apologized in today’s climate....those are two examples of the momentum that I am talking about

...real momentum should be measured by policies and legislation that reduce the cycle of Black death.

Brews is in New Orleans. For him to finally understand what the kneeling means is quite embarrassing and points to his selective ignorance of the situation in the first place.

This kind of "momentum" is going at a snail's pace when we see that these police officers are still able to act as terrorists.

WTF? I see this and what happened to Floyd as part of the same continuum and deserving a similar response.

That was misreported by the cops (shocker). He was parked in the parking lot. Parked askew, but he wasn't blocking anything.

They lie about EVERYTHING. They murder who they want, they said an old man they almost killed tripped and fell.

Those of us whom have had abusive spouses pr parents know these fucking pigs literally use the abusers handbook. Their language, their gaslighting, their lying, everything.

Waking him up and requesting that he pull his car out of the line which he does. Then they conduct the field sobriety test. He sure likes like a fast food line as the car behind him then moves forward to take the place.

The people behind him are giving him a wide berth, and he hasn't move up yet to the car in front of him.

Not a good attempt

This.

Someone could have knocked on his window to find out what was going on before calling the cops.

I saw the video and there was NO cause to shoot... and I do believe the reaction was racial... unfortunately, as a white person who has lived a long time and seen many things... this would not have played out the same had Rayshard been a Michael or Robert

they had his name and address... they could have found him

Then all hell broke out

I want DWI's taken off the road, and he apparently was a DWI (he was in the middle of the line and he pulled over the parking space after the police officer woke him up and asked him to). He blew over the legal limit.

I know plenty of white folks (including my dad in the earlier 1980s) who were taken into custody for a DWI. He should have been then as well, and that was when the DWI laws were much looser and the deaths much higher (27K a year vs. around 10K a year now with twice as many miles driven).

DWI suspects are usually handcuffed per procedure so I don't see what the cops did wrong in that regard (in spite of folks saying that he should have been given a pass - would the same ones be saying that when he later killed someone driving drunk?).

A fleeing suspect that avoids arrest for a non-violent crime by punching the police should not be shot. I think someone who grabs one of the cop's Tasers and attempts to use it while fleeing can be justifiably shot even if a Taser isn't considered a lethal weapon. A Taser incapacitates and puts the officer at risk of injury or death especially since that allows the suspect to acquire the officer's weapon. You can say the second officer could prevent this from happening, but in the heat of the moment do you know the second officer isn't already injured and unable to assist the first officer.

This case reminds me a lot of North Carolina shooting in 2016 where the suspect supposedly had a book. It was pretty clear from all the video that he had a gun in his hand and was refusing commands to drop the gun while he backed towards an officer. The rioting and the Democratic leadership piling on in that incident contributed to Clinton losing NC in 2016.

...if we keep trying to put this in a political box. These killings happened during two terms of Clinton and started actually being recorded during Obama's two terms.


I am tired of saying this: The people who are protesting against tax paying Black citizens being killed don't give a damn if this somehow sways the election.

reflection or consideration of the tazer's danger. The shots were angry. No reasonable person can believe that those officers feared for their safety.

It sucks when you have an unpopular opinion on this board. Some people on this board are just as bad as the other side with the unnecessary name calling, and the passive aggressive responses.

I see this mistake often.

It's "could have been."

Aside from that, I disagree with your point. I don't think the policemen would have killed a fleeing white man. Sorry.

I think most of us just want this to not be a thing anymore. I don't really think there is a place to put the good shootings of black people or the OK shootings of black people or the so-so shootings of black people or the bad shootings of black people.

Nobody should have to worry about being shot but as a white woman I have few worries about that and I never worry about it being racially motivated.

How about we treat each shooting of black people as something to pay attention to, all are important and I don't think we want to get into categorizing what is OK and what is not. One day hopefully we will be able to investigate them and put them where anybody's shooting would be, or better.....why don't we stop shooting people all together?

At this point I see no reason we should not react to every single shooting as if it was suspicious. Shot in the back, front or just grazed is certainly suspicious enough, especially if you are a black citizen.

End of discussion.

Had it been me in his place, I guarantee that I wouldn't have been killed. I would have said "yes officer" and done everything the cop asked me to do.

Where I disagree is the shooting in the back. I don't think it was necessary with the evidence that I have seen.

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I read up thread that you are black. I am white, and I can't begin to understand all that I need to understand these days, but I'm trying. I shed tears over George Floyd - especially when he called for his mother because I am a mother. We've all seen the poster made at one of the protests that says when George Floyd called out for his mother - ALL mothers were summoned. And that is me and how I feel.

I wanted to say that I commend you for your original post. There are elements on DU right now that IMHO I feel are trying to keep the violence going and are keyboard attacking anyone who doesn't agree with their posts 100%. This is a discussion board and we need discussion. So thank you for your perspective.

Your words "and when we make every incident about that and make every person a martyr it takes away from the problem" are so true. I am old. I lived through the sixties and I saw the violence and rage detract and diminish the message that peaceful protestors were trying to get across. I truly hope that this current movement has a better outcome. We all want justice. We all want peace.

The current incident in Atlanta needs to be investigated fully and completely. The cop needs a fair hearing and fair representation. Without that, our legal system falls apart. I'm sure my advocating a fair hearing for the cop isn't popular among some, but we all should desire and expect that in order for the system to work. What he did wrong should be evaluated and dealt with accordingly. No, the guy didn't deserve to die and yes the situation could have been handled better.

Again, I simply appreciate your perspective.

And thanks for your perspective.

The police should never have fired their guns. They had his name and car. He fired his gun in a parking lot full of people, into the back of Brooks.