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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Atlanta shooting; I noticed something on the video nobody is talking about.
The use of the Taser failed in multiple ways.
Brooks resisted arrest, the cops rightfully threw him to the ground and Brooks was lying face down. One cop was holding him down and the other cop decided to clumsily use his taser. He could have helped the other cop hold Brooks down. Instead he placed the taser against Brooks leg. It did not work.
Brooks grabbed at the taser because the other cop could not hold Brooks down by himself. Brooks broke loose with the taser and started running. The cop that was holding Brooks down chased him and it looked like he fired his taser at Brooks. It did not work.
Then Brooks made the mistake of pointing the taser he easily took away from the other cop. Then he was wrongly shot.
Maybe we should ban the use of the Taser. It completely failed in this situation.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)It might have fired then, as the cop stumbles before murdering Brooks. Cop had JUST grabbed his sidearm after shifting his taser to his other hand.
shockey80
(4,379 posts)He was pointing it at him while chasing him. Did he fire it, I don't know. If he did it did not work. It looks like Brooks may have fired the taser he took, I don't know if it hit the cop. No matter what the cop did not have the right to kill Brooks.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)And threatening to do so....And THAT seemed to not work. I think Thats the taser he took.
shockey80
(4,379 posts)Then the other cop who chased Brooks pulled out his Taser and was pointing it at Brooks while he chasing him. You cannot not tell if he fired his Taser. Then Brooks pointed the taser he took at the cop and he pulled out his gun and shot Brooks. There was no reason for him to pull out his gun.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)RiverbendsJoe
(81 posts)Jersey Devil
(9,875 posts)If he hit Brooks with the Taser while the other cop was holding him, skin to skin, wouldn't the other cop be zapped as well?
shockey80
(4,379 posts)Jersey Devil
(9,875 posts)x
shockey80
(4,379 posts)His partner was not going to let go of Brooks so he could use the taser. He held the taser right against his leg for a couple of seconds.
Jersey Devil
(9,875 posts)I just think the cop with the Taser was trying not to zap the other cop by mistake. Could be I am wrong but it sure looked that way to me.
Igel
(35,359 posts)One loop.
Two electrodes are used: One leads from the battery, the other leads to the battery. The bit of body between the two electrodes completes the circuit, forming a loop, the path of least resistance between the positive and negative poles of the battery.. If you're out of that loop, there's no reason for current to flow.
For that reason you want the two electrodes to target something that, when shocked, incapacitate the person. Without killing them.
It's the same reason that birds can land on high-tension lines and not get fried. Least resistance is through the metal wire they're on, and even if there are 300k V passing through the wire no current will go through the birds, which have greater resistance.
delisen
(6,044 posts)shockey80
(4,379 posts)Baclava
(12,047 posts)Crack him over the head or bust his kneecaps, like in the good olde days, he still be alive
In the body cam video you can clearly hear them tell him "stop fighting or you will be tased"
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malaise
(269,177 posts)You know why? Because the cops use it against people..
rgbecker
(4,834 posts)Between the rubber bullet guns and tasers and all the other crap they are equipping the police with...someone is making a fortune - at taxpayer's expense and the people's detriment.
Is the escalation of weaponry justified? Has anyone done a study? Will we be having robot police by 2050?
pwb
(11,291 posts)With no badges. IMO.
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)They had his car and his name, address etc. Why not let him run, tow his car and go to his house to arrest him?
GreenEyedLefty
(2,073 posts)shockey80
(4,379 posts)UpInArms
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warrior1
(12,325 posts)He wasn't driving his car, so no DUI.
shockey80
(4,379 posts)He did not seem very drunk to me. He was being polite. He even told the cops he would leave the car and walk home.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)Him that, not happy with the reponse.
panader0
(25,816 posts)warrior1
(12,325 posts)It's bullshit law.
He did what he could do not to drive.
He tried to sleep it off.
At most, give him a ride home.
Jersey Devil
(9,875 posts)Cops are taught to give tickets and arrest people for DWI. It would be very rare for a cop to let a drunk driver off the hook today by giving him a ride home.
The fact that he was sleeping and not driving does not matter. In the most extreme case I can think of, a man was walking out of a bar in NJ and crossing the street to get to his car with his keys in his hand and was arrested and convicted for DWI because his intent was to drive. On appeal to the NJ Supreme Court the court basically said that cops should not wait for a bomb to go off before trying to defuse it.
warrior1
(12,325 posts)Jersey Devil
(9,875 posts)He was in a car and had his keys. He was even in a lane of traffic at Wendy's when he fell asleep, so it's not like he voluntarily pulled over to sleep it off, though I had a case where that happened and the guy was convicted. There is no leeway for drving people home anymore if they are pulled over for dwi
Demsrule86
(68,689 posts)driving laws like the war on drugs are used to roust people.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Demsrule86
(68,689 posts)excuse to target minorities mostly. Sleeping it off in your car should not be cause for arrest. Call a damn tow truck. We need to get rid of stupid laws that allow cops to target anyone...secondly they knew who he was and could have arrested him later...they shot him because they were pissed off...and I have no doubt the man believed he would die at their hands and was fighting for his life...the police involved should be fired and never rehired anywhere. Manslaughter charges could and should be brought. There should be consequences for this sort of behavior.
Jersey Devil
(9,875 posts)I do not think he was in fear of his life. If you watch the videos, he was treated with respect and no violence whatsoever until the moment they tried to put the cuffs on him.
There is no excuse for shooting him but I do not think this is a good example of police racial bias.