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First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:42 PM Jun 2020

I just watched *60 Minutes*--about Tulsa--and I have tears in my eyes...

...I grew up in the 60s, when racial issues were everywhere--and I never heard of what happened there. Even African-Americans who grew up in Tulsa were never taught about it. This was more than a "race riot"--this was virtually full-blown genocide in 20th-century America. And no one--not one person--was ever punished for it. Jesus H Christ--army planes *bombed* those people. God be with the dead, and I hope their killers are rotting in Hell...

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I just watched *60 Minutes*--about Tulsa--and I have tears in my eyes... (Original Post) First Speaker Jun 2020 OP
Thanks for the heads up Nictuku Jun 2020 #1
I was bawling as well........and they called their police force.....oh, and guess what.... a kennedy Jun 2020 #2
The police showed up, and joined in the massacre. dem4decades Jun 2020 #5
Exactly. nt SunSeeker Jun 2020 #11
Horrifying. The Tulsa massacre reminds me of Florida's Rosewood Massacre in 1923. sop Jun 2020 #3
Don't forget the Elaine massacre LiberalArkie Jun 2020 #13
I didn't hear they they were Army planes. dem4decades Jun 2020 #4
this AllaN01Bear Jun 2020 #6
58 year old white male and how can I not know about this? Pepsidog Jun 2020 #7
Reading books. n/t. Scruffy1 Jun 2020 #8
DUers in Oklahoma said it was never taught in schools there let alone malaise Jun 2020 #15
I went all through school in Oklahoma, and never heard a word about it. n/t Tess49 Jun 2020 #26
My experience as well. I only learned about it in the last 10-15 years. cos dem Jun 2020 #32
Because " Black history" is not American History. HBO's Watchmen was the first time many tulipsandroses Jun 2020 #16
It is part of the "hidden" American history. Blue_true Jun 2020 #18
All great responses and explanations of why an otherwise well informed white adult male is ignorant Pepsidog Jun 2020 #20
thank you. was just going to mention this . hidden and suppresed history AllaN01Bear Jun 2020 #24
They don't want you to know about it IronLionZion Jun 2020 #28
I've been through Rosewood dozens of times, driving west out of Gainesville to Cedar Key. sop Jun 2020 #17
Is this the first you heard about this? totodeinhere Jun 2020 #9
Yes, I've heard of it...but seeing old footage... First Speaker Jun 2020 #34
An activist just invoked Tulsa and Rosewood TheRickles Jun 2020 #10
If you haven't listened to this, please stop everything and listen it now. nt crickets Jun 2020 #22
She's right. I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2020 #25
i was thinking of musician friend of mine. Scruffy1 Jun 2020 #12
So let's just say all the looters of now day are just making up for all the lost a kennedy Jun 2020 #14
Bob Dylan Traildogbob Jun 2020 #19
Link IronLionZion Jun 2020 #21
If you missed it locks Jun 2020 #23
Watched several documentaries on YouTube this past week.... Hulk Jun 2020 #27
Wake Up Neo! djacq Jun 2020 #29
I was fortunate to have a history teacher in the 1970's who was from Guatemala lambchopp59 Jun 2020 #30
Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States" BarbD Jun 2020 #31
Went to school in Tulsa, never heard about it. Black colleague grew up here--'always knew about it' bobbieinok Jun 2020 #33
I'm watching it now.... Upthevibe Jun 2020 #35
That brought tears to my eyes SpaceNeedle Jun 2020 #36

Nictuku

(3,617 posts)
1. Thanks for the heads up
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:59 PM
Jun 2020

I'm on the west coast so I was able to set the dvr.

I was never taught about this. Never heard about it until now.

a kennedy

(29,709 posts)
2. I was bawling as well........and they called their police force.....oh, and guess what....
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 08:02 PM
Jun 2020

not one gawd damn officer showed up to help.

sop

(10,253 posts)
3. Horrifying. The Tulsa massacre reminds me of Florida's Rosewood Massacre in 1923.
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 08:04 PM
Jun 2020

The Rosewood massacre was a racially motivated massacre of black people and the destruction of an entire black town in January, 1923, in rural Levy County, Florida. "Racially motivated violence against people of color was common during the early 20th century in the United States. Florida had an especially high number of lynchings of black men."

This was the period of American history when most of the confederate monuments were erected. So much for wanting to commemorate "southern heritage."

LiberalArkie

(15,728 posts)
13. Don't forget the Elaine massacre
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 08:38 PM
Jun 2020

The Elaine massacre or the Elaine race riot occurred on September 30–October 1, 1919, at Hoop Spur in the vicinity of Elaine in rural Phillips County, Arkansas. Although official records of the time state that eleven black men and five white men were killed, estimates of the actual number of black people who were killed range from 100 to 237. According to the Encyclopedia of Arkansas, "the Elaine Massacre was by far the deadliest racial confrontation in Arkansas history and possibly the bloodiest racial conflict in the history of the United States".

Because of the widespread attacks which white mobs committed against blacks during this period of racial terrorism against black citizens, the Equal Justice Initiative of Montgomery, Alabama classified the black deaths as lynchings in its 2015 report on the lynching of African Americans in the South.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_massacre

AllaN01Bear

(18,423 posts)
6. this
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 08:13 PM
Jun 2020

this never keeps getting solved .
wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre
sister eluded to this .
and these incidents keep on happening.
florida, 1923
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosewood_massacre
its time for this crap to end. if i get banned for swearing , so be it.

tulipsandroses

(5,127 posts)
16. Because " Black history" is not American History. HBO's Watchmen was the first time many
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 08:58 PM
Jun 2020

people even heard of Black Wall Street. Meanwhile - this has been "folklore" so to speak in the black community. Especially if you follow hip hop. Its referenced in songs, there are record labels, clothing lines that are named Black Wall Street.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
18. It is part of the "hidden" American history.
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 09:04 PM
Jun 2020

Unless you had pointers and the time to read recent investigative books on it, you would have missed it.

I was reading a synopsis on racist history of Florida. It contained a history lesson on what happened in the Florida massacre, a married White woman had been beaten by her White lover. To explain her injuries, she claimed that a Black man had assaulted her, that was al it took, a large angry white mob descended on the Black part of town and started killing and lynching. Only on her deathbed did the woman admit to how she got injured. There was another instance in the synopsis where two Black men were wrongly accused of raping a White woman, the county sheriff was supposed to transport them to prison, but instead stopped the car in an isolated spot, ordered the two men out of the car and shot one dead and seriously wounded the second, state troopers showed up and the sheriff claimed that them men had jumped him, the troopers got medical care for the injured man and he survived to testify in a hearing on what had happened. There was another account and picture of a group of white men standing around a tree, hanging from the tree was a Black man that they had lynched in broad open daylight, in a public place.

The history of what Whites as a group have done in this country is horrific. It wasn't all Whites, but too many who were not involved in the murders and gross racism turned a blind eye to it. Educated Blacks were fired from jobs in favor of less qualified Whites, Black schools were grossly underfunded when compared to white schools, but a Black intellectual, business and academic culture still formed, only to be knocked back down by racism - I read a recent account of Black Scientists, some of the greatest innovations like open heart surgery, blood banks, medicine development, aeronautics, Applied Physic were done by Black people, who only recently have been given credit, long after their deaths.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
20. All great responses and explanations of why an otherwise well informed white adult male is ignorant
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 09:13 PM
Jun 2020

of these significant and tragic events in African American history.

IronLionZion

(45,534 posts)
28. They don't want you to know about it
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 09:45 PM
Jun 2020

so they don't teach it in schools.

Some cities have even blocked that information from being stored in their libraries. Ask the local libraries or historical societies about it and you will be met with cold hostility.

Nobody in North Carolina learned about Wilmington either, which was straight up terrorism and overthrow of democratically elected black government leaders
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilmington_insurrection_of_1898

sop

(10,253 posts)
17. I've been through Rosewood dozens of times, driving west out of Gainesville to Cedar Key.
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 09:00 PM
Jun 2020

The only thing left is a metal plaque on a pole along the side of the road, peppered with bullet impressions. They say it was a thriving black farming community, but the town was wiped off the map. It's a peaceful place.

The late John Singleton made a movie in '97 by the same name about the Rosewood massacre. Last fall, HBO’s new series “Watchmen” opened with scenes of the race massacre in Tulsa. To date, no major motion picture has been made about Tulsa; some big name producer, like Spielberg or Tarantino, should take on the project. It would very timely.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
34. Yes, I've heard of it...but seeing old footage...
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:52 PM
Jun 2020

...and hearing from families of the victims, is a different matter. It makes it real.

TheRickles

(2,081 posts)
10. An activist just invoked Tulsa and Rosewood
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 08:33 PM
Jun 2020

This rant by a community activist is brief but righteous (3 minutes), linking the Tulsa and Rosewood massacres with the game of Monopoly and the current protests. Unforgettable. (some profanity)

&feature=emb_logo


I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
25. She's right.
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 09:33 PM
Jun 2020

I dispise the racist fuckers who destroy the social contract. Wish I could do something to make them stop. It is racism and white greed and sociopathy that harms so much.
She was 100%correct.

Scruffy1

(3,257 posts)
12. i was thinking of musician friend of mine.
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 08:35 PM
Jun 2020

He is african american and ha Tulsa roots. One of the nicest people I've known in my 71 years. We were talking on the patio one night and he told me about a guitar player who used to sleep on her kitchen floor when he was in Tulsa. It was Charlie Christian. The conversation got around to the masacre and we were both crying on the patio.

a kennedy

(29,709 posts)
14. So let's just say all the looters of now day are just making up for all the lost
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 08:39 PM
Jun 2020

fawking stuff all their families lost during the 1920’s and beyond massacres.

Traildogbob

(8,812 posts)
19. Bob Dylan
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 09:11 PM
Jun 2020

“You never count the dead (With God on Our Side).” America never does. Not from the beginning with native Americans. Always thumping that bible while killing.

locks

(2,012 posts)
23. If you missed it
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 09:25 PM
Jun 2020

it's online under 60 minutes. I went to college in Oklahoma and had many friends who lived there and I did not know one person who knew about the massacre. SO important that we make sure our children and grandchildren are taught the true history of our country. And that we elect a president who cares.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
27. Watched several documentaries on YouTube this past week....
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 09:42 PM
Jun 2020

Black Wallstreet....Reconstruction.....Mississippi....1963 and the Civil Rights Movement. Hey....I was an educator. Taught in public schools for 30 years. Went to high school, college, graduate school....NEVER heard about any of this. True...it was in the news..but so muffled, you had to have been black to know wtf was even going on.

We have hidden our history pretty effectively from the citizens. Our population has NO IDEA what travesties our nation has suffered. I hate to sound so negative...but we have a history that we hide from our citizens, so that this country lives in a fog. The internment of the Japanese...the slaughter of the Native American people....the overthrowing of democratic governments throughout Latin America and the Middle East. Nearly ALL of our wars were corrupt. We are guilty of backing criminal and corrupt regimes all around the world....yet we take such pride in helping to win WWII from the Nazis...as though that is all that matters.

We have so much to be ashamed of....and yet we bury it from our students and the public at large. We are destined to repeat it all, because you can't learn from what you don't even recognize.

Educate yourselves. Watch some of those documentaries. They are there ....free, and professionally and honestly put together. We have so much history we need to learn from THEN, and only then you can understand where the negro American's have truly suffered and why it still prevails today.

djacq

(1,634 posts)
29. Wake Up Neo!
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 09:53 PM
Jun 2020

[link:|

12.5 million Africans were shipped to the New World.

10.7 million survived the dreaded Middle Passage.

Approximately 1.2–2.4 million Africans died during their transport to the New World.

Of the 10.7 million Africans, only about 388,000 were shipped directly to North America?

More than 3900 black people were killed in "racial terror lynchings" in a dozen Southern states between 1877 and 1950.

OPEN A BOOK!


lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
30. I was fortunate to have a history teacher in the 1970's who was from Guatemala
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:00 PM
Jun 2020

Who made no reservations about correcting our "whitewashed" history texts, and presented us with many atrocities the U.S. perpetrated on the "underdeveloped" world, took the cash and ran.
This whole collusion between the good ol boy evangelical "Christians" and some idiotic notion of mixing that with conservative "patriotism" has always made me sick to my stomach.
We didn't get much about of the atrocities that happened within our own borders from this teacher.
But we all got a long lesson on many U.S. based corporate atrocities perpetrated onto Latin America and all over.
Co-opted "christians" who truly believe they are part of a god-blessed "American Exceptionalism" are the profits (see what I did there?) of Satan.

BarbD

(1,193 posts)
31. Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States"
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:12 PM
Jun 2020

includes some black history but omits Tulsa. I'm 82 and sadly had not heard of this horrific event.

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
33. Went to school in Tulsa, never heard about it. Black colleague grew up here--'always knew about it'
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:43 PM
Jun 2020

She said every black in North Tulsa (historically black area of Tulsa. Tulsa schools desegregated in 57) knew about the Massacre

German has a word for how it was treated by the white leaders--todgeschwiegen, English 'silenced to death'

If you never talk about it , it disappears from collective memory

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