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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMed Examiner - Brooks shot twice in the back. NAACP lawyers demand charges - murder.
via MSNBC
Police Union rep says: legitimate use of force - 'a taser is lethal if an untrained person uses it'.
riversedge
(70,310 posts)Nevilledog
(51,201 posts)Don't matter if you're trained or untrained, nobody's dying from a taser from 20 to 25 feet away.
That's a bullshit excuse.
riversedge
(70,310 posts)Midnight Writer
(21,803 posts)I believe the base can be used as a stun gun after the barbs are fired, but to "shoot" the thing you need to reload the barbs.
Therefore, the weapon he was running with was already discharged, and a much lesser threat.
I have also read six shots fired, now this says two bullet wounds.
Did this cop shoot four errant rounds into an area full of civilians?
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)CountAllVotes
(20,878 posts)Another case of ... MURDER ONE!
!!!!!!
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)I firmly believe the murderer of George Floyd formed the intent to murder, and it should be murder one. This case, probably not.
sir pball
(4,761 posts)Murder is murder with a couple of narrow exceptions:
§ 16-5-1. Murder; malice murder; felony murder; murder in the second degree
(a) A person commits the offense of murder when he unlawfully and with malice aforethought, either express or implied, causes the death of another human being.
(b) Express malice is that deliberate intention unlawfully to take the life of another human being which is manifested by external circumstances capable of proof. Malice shall be implied where no considerable provocation appears and where all the circumstances of the killing show an abandoned and malignant heart.
(c) A person commits the offense of murder when, in the commission of a felony, he or she causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice.
(d) A person commits the offense of murder in the second degree when, in the commission of cruelty to children in the second degree, he or she causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice.
(e)
(1) A person convicted of the offense of murder shall be punished by death, by imprisonment for life without parole, or by imprisonment for life.
(2) A person convicted of the offense of murder in the second degree shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than ten nor more than 30 years.
I'd be more comfortable with included charges, give the jury an option if they "just can't convict a cop".
Premeditation in states with murder 1 isn't just intent though, it's thinking about it ahead, planning, so forth and so on - i.e. you wake up thinking "I'm going to go through with my plan to kill John Smith today". In NY this would be a murder 2 charge; he "intentionally" killed a man, he meant or at least knew that his actions would likely result in death, but he didn't "premeditate" in the legal sense.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Chauvin committed cold-blooded murder, and I am convinced he intended to do so.
sir pball
(4,761 posts)At least in the NY State sense which is what most people think of. Chauvin would have had to deliberately planned ahead of time to get a hold of Floyd and kill him for murder 1. He certainly meant to intentionally cause death, but that's still "just" 2. Gets you 15-ta-life here, it's not much lesser a charge than 25ta for murder 1.
609.185 MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE.
(a) Whoever does any of the following is guilty of murder in the first degree and shall be sentenced to imprisonment for life:
(1) causes the death of a human being with premeditation and with intent to effect the death of the person or of another;
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609.19 MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
1.Intentional murder; drive-by shootings. Whoever does either of the following is guilty of murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:
(1) causes the death of a human being with intent to effect the death of that person or another, but without premeditation;
aeromanKC
(3,328 posts)TASER advertises their own product is non lethal. It's murder.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)DA Promising charges mid-week.
Interview cops - likely defense wpould be "use of force justified and reasonable'.
aeromanKC
(3,328 posts)Thanks.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)The people of the State of Georgia may disagree. We shall see what we see.
-Laelth
Turbineguy
(37,372 posts)They would not only find out that you had a parking ticket 10 years ago, but if they shoot you they make a woman a widow and orphan 3 children.
That might be helpful knowledge.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Be interacting with.
Clearly Mr Brooks just wanted to get someplace safe.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)suspect is a threat to others if he gets away. Doesnt appear case here.
However, I think the taser, resisting arrest, and struggle will complicate things. Shooting still wasnt right, but this is more complicated than Chauvin murdering a handcuffed, cooperative man.
Even R. Brooks familys attorney wasnt sure about criminal charges today, like he was yesterday before seeing the videos.
Its just a shame, especially for Brooks who doesnt get a chance to give his side. I honestly dont know what I might do if police were handcuffing me behind my back. I could very well panic.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)If the taser was fired the Union rep is full of shit. Once the cartridge is discharged and the leads are not stuck in a persons skin it is a useless object.