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LAS14

(13,783 posts)
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 11:17 AM Jun 2020

Masks like this would give people control over their own safety....

Consequently, we need masks for the general population that block the virus from coming in and going out similar to what high-filtration surgical or N95 masks do for health workers. Masks like this would give people control over their own safety, a greater incentive to wear them, and the confidence to resume economically important activities.


The Harvard Business Review isn't exactly mainstream media, but this did show up in Google News. I've been waiting and waiting for a strong movement to get everyone masks that protect THEM, not just others.

https://hbr.org/2020/06/we-need-better-masks
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Masks like this would give people control over their own safety.... (Original Post) LAS14 Jun 2020 OP
I have said for a while EllieBC Jun 2020 #1
Agreed. Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #3
Encourage social distancing keithbvadu2 Jun 2020 #2
Improperly fitted/used N95 may be worse Maru Kitteh Jun 2020 #4
I mostly see people wearing homemade masks incorrectly. LisaL Jun 2020 #5
I've heard this now and again, and I can't get my head around it. LAS14 Jun 2020 #7
Suck wind around the mask. N95s are hard to breathe through and Maru Kitteh Jun 2020 #8
N95s aren't just for health workers. Doremus Jun 2020 #6

EllieBC

(3,042 posts)
1. I have said for a while
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 11:23 AM
Jun 2020

that they messed up with the mask messaging. First they said not to wear them and that was stupid. Instead they should have encouraged homemade masks from the get go to preserve the stock of N95 and surgical masks.

Then they said wear them but for other people. Relying on people to be altruistic is a quick path to failure. Have you seen the way most people behave in many situations? Not exactly selflessly.

The screwed up the messaging so much I don’t think they can come back from it.

Ms. Toad

(34,115 posts)
3. Agreed.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 01:44 PM
Jun 2020

I've been blasting that message since they started using it in late February/early March.

I was initially arguing with people who recognized the risk - but trusted the medical experts.

More recently, I have been arguing with people who I had convinced of the risks (and who - temporarily - had jumped on the "this is serious" bandwagon). They have reverted (unversally) to their earlier posture - and part of the reason for that is that the government and doctors are lying - with the mask messaging as example #1.

Maru Kitteh

(28,343 posts)
4. Improperly fitted/used N95 may be worse
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 02:53 PM
Jun 2020

and certainly no better than a surgical or pedestrian face covering. Watching television coverage and observing people out in the world I RARELY see people wearing N95s correctly.

There is nothing magical about an N95.

Meanwhile, nurses are still being asked to use their disposable respirators for multiple patients, multiple shifts and multiple days.

I’m not in favor of this.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/n95-masks-training-needed-protect-against-covid-19/

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
5. I mostly see people wearing homemade masks incorrectly.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 03:04 PM
Jun 2020

It's either not covering their nose or is hanging off their face.
What exactly is so hard about wearing N95 correctly? A properly made mask at least would stay on unlike the homemade ones.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
7. I've heard this now and again, and I can't get my head around it.
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 03:50 PM
Jun 2020

How could it be "worse?" Could you detail exactly what one does when wearing an N95 improperly, and exactly how it is "worse" than not wearing one? I have one. It fits very snugly all around my face. Doesn't seem to be rocket science.

Maru Kitteh

(28,343 posts)
8. Suck wind around the mask. N95s are hard to breathe through and
Sat Jun 20, 2020, 04:07 PM
Jun 2020

A tight seal MUST be maintained. Otherwise the air being inspired comes from around the completely unfiltered edges of the mask. At least with the surgical or cloth covering most of your inspired air is still passing through some filtration.

It’s very difficult to exert any sustained effort and maintain your seal even for a trained user.



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