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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLincoln Project ads are magnificent. Where are the Dems ads?
The Lincoln Project is a group of anti-Trump Republicans. They are producing some of the best political ads ever seen. And they're doing it in a timely manner. Their latest ad of Jurassic Trump (google it) is another great one.
So why aren't the Democrats doing the same thing? Joe, you're in charge. Where are ads from the DNC? You can't take this election for granted. It's past time to get in step with the Lincoln Project. You can't let them do all your work for you. Especially since, once Trump is gone, those involved in the Lincoln Project will be your conservative political foes.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)They have been doing ads. Maybe you're not in the market they're targeting.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/06/18/joe-biden-dnc-jeff-zeleny-vpx.cnn
But one of the nice things about the Lincoln Project ads is that it frees up the Biden campaign and DNC fpr ads further down the road.
Only political junkies like us know or care who actually produced the ads. They're seeing plenty of ads on the airwaves and online and that's what matters. But it would be a waste of money and probably counter-productive for people to be saturated with ads at this stage of the campaign.
Cyrano
(15,063 posts)reason for people to vote for Joe Biden.
"He sucks" isn't enough of a message. People need positive ads that give them a reason to vote for Joe Biden.
sweetloukillbot
(11,071 posts)Wouldn't be DU if someone didn't complain that the Democrats weren't doing anything on a daily basis.
Cirque du So-What
(25,988 posts)Also apparently, theyre more effective when they come from the candidate instead of a PAC.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)You must not be seeing them.
For example:
But it is important in a campaign like this to "soften up" the opponent, convince people he needs to go, and then offer our candidate as the alternative.
The Biden campaign and DNC are doing exactly that - with the independent help of outside groups like the Lincoln Project and they're doing it extremely well.
They know what they're doing ... and it's working.
FYI, it took me less than 10 seconds to google these ads ...
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)brooklynite
(94,742 posts)If someone else is spending money to get under Trump's skin, why should you?
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)consistently and constantly over the months.
GoCubsGo
(32,095 posts)to spend on commercials. Save it for September and October. Let the others have at it for now. They're doing a fine job.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)"do nothing Dems" and bringing a negativity to the party when we need participation.
Cyrano
(15,063 posts)LizBeth
(9,952 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)You didn't even bother to take the time to do a few seconds research that would have answered your own question. It took longer to compose and post your OP suggesting that Biden isn't putting out ads than it would have taken to simply google "Biden ads."
So, don't be surprised if some folks are a little skeptical about your "concern."
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Too many times, I've seen my fellow Democrats run with bad strategy or bad campaigning, and tell anyone raising red flags that they're "being negative".
And too many times, I've watched Democrats scratch their heads after wondering how they lost the election, or how they ended up Swiftboated or Willie-Hortoned.
Please understand that this is a unique opportunity to understand how our opponents do things, what makes them effective, and now only how we can adapt their techniques for our use, but how we can counter them when used against us.
It's not often that you see our political enemies get the treatment that normally would be aimed at us.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)Asking ourselves what we could be doing is one thing. Asking "Where are the Dems ads?" when they are and have been out there is what I was addressing.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)We wouldn't want to step in the way when our opponent is so spectacularly making an ass of himself.
And yes, Biden's wise to let the Lincoln Project be the attack dogs - what are they going to do to Rick Wilson and Steve Schmidt? They're not running for office - they're on Twitter thumbing their noses at their trolls. For all intents and purposes, Rick and Steve are immune to the kinds of criticism that could hurt an actual candidate, and Biden's easily able to keep his distance.
But keep in mind - in the long term, it's not a winning strategy to rely on our political opponents to help us win elections.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Steve Schmidt, George Conway, and Rick Wilson are the heirs apparent of Karl Rove and Lee Atwater.
I'll admit I'm greatly enjoying watching them tear Trump to pieces in their ads. They are geniuses. But they're frenemies - they're not going to be campaigning on our side two or four years from now. They're doing this because Trump's not just bad, but an active menace to American democracy.
But let's ask ourselves a question. What are they doing that we're not doing?
The Lincoln Project is incredibly effective. They're tearing Trump to pieces - they've got chutzpah, they know advertising psychology, they've analyzed their target audience. They make Trump look weak, they're incredibly funny in ridiculing him, then they go full serious and blast him with both barrels about his failures.
We need our own dirty rotten bastard attack dogs - Democrats need to stop being nice.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)We don't need to be the ones doing the dirty work if the outside groups are doing it and doing it well.
One of the reasons the ads are effective is because they're NOT coming from the Biden campaign.
OnDoutside
(19,974 posts)Trumpists, GOP and Russian bots.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)So yeah, that means super-PACs that are not under official candidate campaign umbrellas. If they act up too much, Biden can wag his finger and distance easily, but that gives them the freedom needed to turn the nasty up as much as the Lincoln Project has.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And do you realize that every suggestion you're making, the campaign and outside groups thought of a long time ago.
FYI, it is illegal for outside groups to coordinate with the Biden campaign- one of the reasons that Democratic PACs don't do ads to the same degree that independent groups do. There's a reason that things are being done the way they're being done. And it's not that the campaign doesn't know what it's doing.
That said, as campaign supporters, we can be much more helpful spreading the word among our networks - for example, tweeting, emailing, Facebooking the numerous ads that have already been made and released - and doing grassroots work on the ground like registering voters, phone banking, door knocking (where you can during the pandemic), letter writing, texting, volunteering with the local party, etc. than spending time online giving the campaign basic communications advice that it doesn't need and isn't even going to see.
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OnDoutside
(19,974 posts)Trump than Democrats traditionally prefer to do, and that can work in Democrats favour that they can project a more positive message while the Lincoln Project (and others go seriously dirty)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017589140
chowder66
(9,084 posts)With MeidasTouch, 3 Brothers Are Creating Visceral Ads by Using Trumps Words Against Him
Exclusive: An attorney for Kaepernick, an editor for Ellen and an agency pro are generating views by the millions
https://www.adweek.com/tv-video/with-meidastouch-3-brothers-are-creating-visceral-ads-by-using-trumps-words-against-him/
Caliman73
(11,744 posts)We are still more than 4 months away from the election. The Lincoln Project, and other organizations are doing well with their ads. We also need a ton of money for the ground game and registering voters and getting them to the polls.
There are ads out there from Biden, the DNC, and other Democratic organizations, but the flood of ads won't come until about 6 weeks to a month out.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)aimed at conservative swing voters and feckless nonvoters. They're great, and I'm enjoying them too because they combine snide knife work with a very high level of truth.
But I understand that, while I'm fully enjoying these more aggressive ads, like many many millions of other Democrats I want something more positive from our presidential candidate.
Go find the ones you enjoy and enjoy while you can. We'll almost certainly never have a Republican president who provides such an astonishing wealth of great material, and we're going to come out of this badly spoiled.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)several times.
Fundraising is picking up, so expect to see more.