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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRahm Emanuel on the toppling of Grant's statue - ABC This Week
KARL: Rahm, one other thing we saw in the protest in San Francisco, we have seen a lot of Confederate statues going down obviously. I was surprised to see the statue of Ulysses S. Grant toppled in San Francisco.
EMANUEL: Well, you know, I found this a little strange on two fronts. One is Ulysses S. Grant directed, number one, he directed his attorney general to prosecute the KKK. And the KKK, if you know history, doesn't come back until 1920 because of what Ulysses S. Grant did.
Second, I would just say this as a Jewish-American, Ulysses S. Grant signed order 11 which was really quite anti-semitic in the Vicksburg Campaign, and realizes when he becomes president what he had done was wrong, appoints a number of Jews to his administration and the first president to visit a synagogue.
I actually think we should take a step back in all this process. You can't white wash history and you can't white it out. And Ulysses S. Grant is a president who has his faults. He is human. But he accomplished a great deal to get America right in the same way I happen to think Roosevelt is one of the greatest presidents, he interred the Japanese in this country, he didn't allow the St. Louis ship in 1938 to come to the shores of the United States, and given information never bombed Auschwitz.
On the other hand, he accomplished great things. They are flawed. And rather than reject our history, we should learn from our history. And toppling that statue, in my view, Ulysses S. Grant -- I understand the desire and I don't want to throw it it with -- on -- from the civil war honoring Confederate soldiers, that is a mistake and it's wrong.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-21-20-sen-tim-scott-rep/story (and scroll down)
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(53,876 posts)madaboutharry
(40,224 posts)I think the test should not be the flaws they had, but rather the ability to recognize these flaws, the mistakes, the wrong they did and then go on to correct them.
I believe in redemption. When a person accepts that they have made errors and goes on to try to right the wrong they did, that needs to be acknowledged.
Kitchari
(2,168 posts)However, in this case, I agree
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Grant was flawed, but so are we all.
PatSeg
(47,613 posts)This is getting out of hand. All our leaders had flaws, but we revere many of them for their accomplishments, knowing they were far from perfect.
question everything
(47,537 posts)PatSeg
(47,613 posts)because of the Japanese internment camps.
Even Lincoln is vulnerable to attack in today's climate. Though he didn't own slaves, he viewed black people as inferior and his solution was to send them to Africa or Central America, as he did not believe whites and blacks could coexist peacefully. His views did however evolve at the end of his life, probably due to his relationship with Frederick Douglass. After Lincoln's inauguration speech in 1865 he greeted Douglass warmly, I am glad to see you. I saw you in the crowd to-day, listening to my inaugural address
Douglass; there is no man in the country whose opinion I value more than yours. I want to know what you think of it.
BannonsLiver
(16,470 posts)And we should be wary of this. There was someone here on Saturday making the case Lincoln and the rest should be sand blasted off Mt. Rushmore 4 months before an election with a badly wounded incumbent president looking desperately for any opening he can find. Also, its just moronic and shows a lack of perspective.
DBoon
(22,399 posts)He appointed the first Native American to head the Bureau of Indian Affairs.