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dvduval

(260 posts)
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 02:21 PM Jun 2020

To solve racism we're looking in the wrong place...


I'm reminded of a mansion above the Chattahoochee River in Georgia. There's an old Mill on the river, and the slaves lived on one side and the very poor whites lived on the other side. When I visited that day, it became so vivid how there was this mansion looking down on these two opposing sides and how the people in the mansion controlled everything. We need to stop arguing with each other and join together and go to the mansion we built.
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To solve racism we're looking in the wrong place... (Original Post) dvduval Jun 2020 OP
And... Newest Reality Jun 2020 #1
The dirty little secret of the Civil War... Wounded Bear Jun 2020 #2
Yes dvduval Jun 2020 #4
I heard it mentioned as a joke on Rhandi Rhoades' show years ago, but think there is some truth in Hoyt Jun 2020 #10
Poor white people STILL want to live on their side of the river. Laelth Jun 2020 #3
There is definitely common cause in similar economic classes. But improving economic WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #5
True. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2020 #8
This!👆 SheltieLover Jun 2020 #6
To clarify... WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #7
But dvduval Jun 2020 #11
. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #14
Exactly. Solly Mack Jun 2020 #12
It's insidious and hard to unlearn. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #15
Exactly, again. Solly Mack Jun 2020 #16
Fair enough point, but futile. maxsolomon Jun 2020 #9
The Rs have successfully pitted the poor DeminPennswoods Jun 2020 #13
Where specifically is the wrong place we're currently looking? gollygee Jun 2020 #17
Agreed BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #18

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
1. And...
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 02:24 PM
Jun 2020

You don't cut down a tree by just lopping off some branches. That's called pruning.

It is best to uproot it.

Wounded Bear

(58,721 posts)
2. The dirty little secret of the Civil War...
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 02:26 PM
Jun 2020

is that rich white Southerners convinced poor white Southerners to fight and die in their thousands to defend the rich folks' right to own black people.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
10. I heard it mentioned as a joke on Rhandi Rhoades' show years ago, but think there is some truth in
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 02:39 PM
Jun 2020

what she said.

She talked about two poor white farmers discussing whether they'd fight for the confederacy. One of the farmers said, "You know, old Mr. Beauregard ain't gonna pick his own cotton."

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
3. Poor white people STILL want to live on their side of the river.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 02:30 PM
Jun 2020

Thus, Trumpism. It’s that simple, and this mindset has proven to be intractable.

-Laelth

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,448 posts)
5. There is definitely common cause in similar economic classes. But improving economic
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 02:31 PM
Jun 2020

conditions across racial lines will not eliminate racism.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,858 posts)
8. True.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 02:38 PM
Jun 2020

I'd still like to see more equity for the poor, regardless of skin color.

I think the wealthy are still trying to foster racial problems, as they live comfortably out of view from most of the population. (Like the absent slave owners of years ago, usually hiring the dregs of white society to be the overseers.)

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,448 posts)
7. To clarify...
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 02:35 PM
Jun 2020
We need to stop arguing with each other and join together and go to the mansion we built.


Makes it sound like this is a "both sides" issue when it really isn't. "Joining together" requires that one side to at the very least come to terms with the fact that it fell for the big lie that looking down on someone else was worth it:

I’ll tell you what’s at the bottom of it. If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.

-- LBJ


It's a lot more work than you make it sound like, that's all.

dvduval

(260 posts)
11. But
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 02:43 PM
Jun 2020

This is more coming from the perspective that we want to tell the people living on the other side of the river from the slaves that their life really isn't all that much better and there's a solution! I've definitely not saying that it's the slaves fault here and that's not my perspective at all. This is about placing blame where blame is due, up on the hill in the White House.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,448 posts)
14. .
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 02:51 PM
Jun 2020
This is more coming from the perspective that we want to tell the people living on the other side of the river from the slaves that their life really isn't all that much better and there's a solution!
If the solution includes making everyone's lives better, you'll have a hard sell.

I've definitely not saying that it's the slaves fault here and that's not my perspective at all.
We can let the "slave" metaphor go if we're talking about people in the present.

This is about placing blame where blame is due, up on the hill in the White House.
Blame for...?

Solly Mack

(90,787 posts)
12. Exactly.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 02:47 PM
Jun 2020

I was born and raised in Georgia and I have seen the LBJ quote in action.

There's a hierarchy to racism. The who am I better than today thinking that keeps it going.

There is a crossover with classism but, as the quote lays it out, all it takes is an appeal to prejudice to stop struggling white people from thinking about who is actually holding them down.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,448 posts)
15. It's insidious and hard to unlearn.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 02:54 PM
Jun 2020

If all it took were economic equality, racism would decrease as income levels rise, and that's certainly not the case. No, undoing racism will take deliberately anti-racist efforts. They may certainly overlap or intersect with economic changes. But economic changes are not enough.

Solly Mack

(90,787 posts)
16. Exactly, again.
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 03:05 PM
Jun 2020

Wealthy African-Americans still experience racism. Money didn't change that. Less the economic impact of racism does not eliminate the daily racism people encounter.

Money doesn't make white people less racist.

Exactly as you said, it takes people rooting out racism in themselves and anti-racist efforts on the local, state, and federal level.










DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
13. The Rs have successfully pitted the poor
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 02:49 PM
Jun 2020

against each other so the business/money interests can do what is in their best interest.

It is literally "Look! Squirrel!" to keep both groups distracting and from recognizing their common interests and voting for politicians who will make their lives better.

It doesn't get as much attention as it should, but that is what Rev Dr Barber's "poor peoples" campaign and "moral Mondays" are all about.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
17. Where specifically is the wrong place we're currently looking?
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 03:14 PM
Jun 2020

I'm worried you're saying that we should stop focusing on racism specifically and just look at classism. If that's so, I strongly disagree. We need to specifically focus on both and each.

BannonsLiver

(16,470 posts)
18. Agreed
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 03:18 PM
Jun 2020

Bernie Sanders ran to expensive but ultimately losing presidential campaigns with a similar approach. The reality is economics don’t solve racism. Period.

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