Particularly in red states.

Republicans would rather have people dying than jeopardize the GOP’s chances this November.

And if everyone were wearing masks, lockdowns might not be necessary.

That might depend solely on the market value of human capital stock.

What's the going rate? What's the profit to loss ratio that determines expendables? Can the resource be replenished or replaced in a timely manner?

If there is a large surplus, then is there a need for liquidation?

How healthy do you think the economy is going to be?

Economics should not drive public health policy.

I do not understand the shortsightedness needed to make that comparison.

Closing down will have a negative effect on the economy. We saw that already.

Hundreds of thousands dying and millions debilitated, will have the SAME negative effect PLUS, we will have to deal with all of the death and hospitals will be overfilled causing more death from the typical illnesses.

When the economy v virus argument is made, it is like people are engaging in magical thinking like if we are out working, the virus is going to say, "Oh, my bad. I won't mess with the economy"

If people start getting stacked up in hospital parking lots with no treatment all bets will be off. Grocery store workers and truck drivers aren’t going to be “heroes” if shit really hits the fan.

Handling this pandemic properly might save our economy. I’m not optimistic.

you are correct. There seems to be this false choice between economy/stop the virus, when if the virus is let go, the economy would crash anyway.

Organizing the economy differently is more of an answer.

The economy has already crashed. It won't be "coming back" anytime soon. No demand. "I lose less money by staying closed" says the overanxious shop owner getting 10% or less of former traffic. The only real variable here is the height of the torso pile. I opt for keeping it as small as possible. Apparently, you disagree.

"an economic crash is going to kill even more people."

I know I heard someone say that, maybe more than once. Who could it be? Think...think...

money to keep the economy going. That option is always there. All that's needed is the will to tack additional trillions onto the deficit. And as the Rs are never against deficit spending when they hold the presidency, this should be no different.

The WORST thing we could do is IMAGINE that 30-million people are going to be back at work by August 1, and that the virus will be in remission so people feel good about eating out, going to movies, etc., and that because of that, no further emergency assistance is needed. That is not going to happen, so we may as well accept the fact that the government is going to have to put a couple trillion more on the credit card to keep the economy and the country afloat. The only question is what they use as the delivery system to pump that money into the economy. The CARE Act did the right thing and put that money into the hands of every American. That's what we should be doing again in August.

who says that word?

is exactly why the virus will be with us for many years.

They all need to

The map from the Guardian shows 38% of states flat or declining. Three of those states are >10 million population.
This suggests they properly managed the situation locally.
If they've properly managed it, why would those states need to retrigger shutdowns?

You'd think we'd learn from other countries that opened early but apparently not.

They're going for herd immunity.

Dear leader wants herd immunity and his cronies follow him like a lap dog.

There are two paths to herd immunity for COVID-19 — vaccines and infection.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808


There aren't any vaccines, won't be for a very long time....

... is achieved after infection with this virus, so it might be impossible even if everyone in this country TRIED to do it.

I don't think anyone in this country wants to "try" to do it however; it appears that's what this administration is shooting for.

They did not shut down. They had the highest spread rate and deaths spiked compared to their neighbors, and it didn't even do anything positive for their economy.


Heard immunity is just a hunch right now.

The problem is we have no guidance here and this administration is doing absolutely nothing to contain the virus.

Hell, trump is sitting on $14B in tests and contact tracing since April.

https://www.businessinsider.com/democrats-schumer-murray-trump-billion-funds-testing-contact-tracing-2020-6

That asshole is helping to spread the virus. He has actively told people to do the exact opposite of containing the virus since January. Hell, he fucked us over in 2018 when he pulled the pandemic response team out of China and started defunding our first responders. He was bragging about that.

We have a large segment of idiot running around out there thinking that it was a hoax, or that it is all under control now, and that is because those words have been coming out of the asshole's mouth for months.

with this virus, they may as well be hoping for unicorns to save us from ourselves.

Antibodie concentration declines, it appears.

But that happens with a number of diseases that we continue to maintain immunity towards. And even the people who pointed out that antibodies taper off made, as was appropriate, note of the complexity of the immune system and that wasn't really all that meaningful.

Now reporters ... A lot of them last took a biology class in 9th grade. And constantly said, "When am I ever going to need this?"

Otherwise, there's the observation that not proven to exist =/= is proven not to exist. Scope of negation's a thing.

research coming from countries who are actually trying to control the spread indicate that there is no long lasting antibody conditions so far, chance are that trying to catch that sweet spot in timing that would be called for with this virus' antibodies having a finite lifespan... thinking that there could be a coordinated effort to contain the virus with that methodology is asking a lot. And considering we can't even get half our population to wear a fucking mask, there's going to be a long time of living adapted lives with this virus among us.

Of course, it will have to revert to lockdown eventually. It's just a matter of how high the pile of dead bodies has to get before the governors decide they don't want their lifeless body hanging from a lamp post.

if Trump wants something and the governors are humping Trump, this is what happens

you know, because......rights or something

It's like road kill in November. At first you see one dead deer and its sad and gross and you keep driving. Then you see another, and another, and another. Pretty soon you stop noticing any more.

could happen. Pass it on to this time to where needed. In the long term opening too early costs us more in lost productivity, deaths, potential life-long illness, health care costs...

Force businesses to prematurely reopen forcing people without adequate testing or safety precautions like they have done, they are going to continue to lose this battle. The virus is kicking trump and the republicans asses now , and exposing their failed policies. Trump is in deep deep trouble now for doing this , and he sees he's losing voters in huge numbers now. People are ignoring trumps lying more now too, and the republicans enabling him will see the anger at them this Nov. . Even simple things like wearing a mask are rejected by trump and republicans.