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babylonsister

(171,066 posts)
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 07:24 PM Jun 2020

Barr Falls Apart When Pressed For Evidence Of Mail In Ballot Fraud

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/06/25/barr-mail-in-voting.html


Posted on Thu, Jun 25th, 2020 by Jason Easley
Barr Falls Apart When Pressed For Evidence Of Mail In Ballot Fraud

Attorney General William Barr was pressed for evidence to back up his claims of potential mail-in ballot fraud and he had nothing.

Transcript of Barr’s interview as provided to PoliticusUSA by NPR:

WB: “I think there’s a range of concerns about mail-in ballots. And let me just clarify here. I’m not talking about a mail-in ballot for a limited number of cases where somebody, you know, is going to be traveling around the world in the way that the state has provided for. That is you mail in your ballot. I’m talking about a comprehensive rule where all the ballots are essentially mail-in and there’s so many occasions for fraud there that cannot be policed. I think I think it would be very bad. But one of the things I mentioned was the possibility of counterfeiting.”

Steve Inskeep: “Did you have evidence to raise that specific concern?

WB: “No, it’s obvious. It’s obvious that it can be done. Of course, we got to a lot of quite. Why do you think we go to the problems we do in crafting single dollar bills? Because make it hard to counterfeit.”

SI: “Now, do they not also go through procedures like that with mail-in ballot?”

WB: “You’ve seen them. They’re pretty primitive.”
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Barr Falls Apart When Pressed For Evidence Of Mail In Ballot Fraud (Original Post) babylonsister Jun 2020 OP
What does this mean? "we got to a lot of quite." CurtEastPoint Jun 2020 #1
Jedi mindtrick fail. C_U_L8R Jun 2020 #5
For what you say that to. Yeah. Javaman Jun 2020 #9
That's Palin-speak for "Say something that sounds intelligent" Generic Brad Jun 2020 #21
And yet there are states like Oregon ibegurpard Jun 2020 #2
And counterfeiting ballots hasn't been a problem AT ALL in Oregon gratuitous Jun 2020 #7
+1 n/t Laelth Jun 2020 #8
+1 ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #14
And be able to forge the voters signature for each ballot. Salviati Jun 2020 #17
One state or county election official explained that each county has their Blue_true Jun 2020 #23
Talk to Oregon and Utah about this leftieNanner Jun 2020 #3
Registrar Of Voters across this nation are cringing Brother Buzz Jun 2020 #4
Amazing. It's ok to mail in ballots if you're one of those who "you know travel around the world" erronis Jun 2020 #6
It's Hard to Find a Trump Who Hasn't Voted by Mail...what about them Barr?!?! BigmanPigman Jun 2020 #10
Until Wild Billy Barr and Donald Dunce can present ACTUAL court cases and convictions... WyattKansas Jun 2020 #11
They're really embarrassing themselves. Baked Potato Jun 2020 #12
He's either a disingenuous liar, or he's a goddamned moron. Salviati Jun 2020 #13
How come he hasn't taken action against Mail-In Ballot states after 2018? maxsolomon Jun 2020 #15
My CA ballot has my name, my ballot #, and displacedtexan Jun 2020 #16
Well that sounds pretty ridiculous... Caliman73 Jun 2020 #18
barr & trump are Lying POS'.. that's why. They're Scared to Cha Jun 2020 #19
All of the Trumpsters are freaking idiots. ms liberty Jun 2020 #20
Trump has his base believing you can just send in a post card. rickford66 Jun 2020 #22
Since 2011 my state, Washington State, has been all voting by mail lettucebe Jun 2020 #24

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
21. That's Palin-speak for "Say something that sounds intelligent"
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 08:53 PM
Jun 2020

If you say it with conviction, most reporters will be courteous and give you a pass.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
7. And counterfeiting ballots hasn't been a problem AT ALL in Oregon
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 07:36 PM
Jun 2020

Because here's what a counterfeiter would have to do: Somehow print up a lot of ballots with unique bar codes that match the ballots that go out to voters. Ascertain who hasn't voted and won't vote, then mark a unique ballot for that voter with the votes of the counterfeiter's choice. Starting to see what kind of effort we're talking about? And what happens if the counterfeiter casts a ballot for a voter who submits a ballot later? Two ballots, one voter is the sort of thing that's going to get flagged at the county headquarters.

Further, you'd have to have a sufficiently close race to make a difference with the small percentage of ballots counterfeited. The payoff is dubious, the risk is high, the penalty for getting caught is severe, and the ultimate outcome is by no means sure. It would be like counterfeiting pennies.

That's all that needs to be done on these nonsense "fraud" allegations: How would it work? End of inquiry.

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
17. And be able to forge the voters signature for each ballot.
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 08:10 PM
Jun 2020

It hasn't happened to me, but a friend got a call from the elections department because they felt his signature didn't sufficiently match that on his voter registration. Everything was on the up and up, but it goes to show that they do check that stuff.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
23. One state or county election official explained that each county has their
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 10:52 PM
Jun 2020

own ballot design and envelop. Most counties never use the same ballot design or envelope more than once. In order to interfere, an outside force would have to duplicate each county's ballot and envelop exactly and do that for every county in a targeted state.

leftieNanner

(15,102 posts)
3. Talk to Oregon and Utah about this
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 07:28 PM
Jun 2020

Ass Hole! We have been doing VBM for over 20 years (Oregon) and we have had no problems!

You are full of shit. I'm glad NPR pushed back.

erronis

(15,260 posts)
6. Amazing. It's ok to mail in ballots if you're one of those who "you know travel around the world"
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 07:36 PM
Jun 2020

but not for people that much more valid reasons to not be able to stand in line at one of the increasingly limited voting booths.

How convenient for barr and his rich friends.

How inconvenient for all the rest of us.

Wonder if this is intentional.

BigmanPigman

(51,593 posts)
10. It's Hard to Find a Trump Who Hasn't Voted by Mail...what about them Barr?!?!
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 07:58 PM
Jun 2020

It's Hard to Find a Trump Who Hasn't Voted by Mail
https://www.thedailybeast.com/its-hard-to-find-a-trump-who-hasnt-voted-by-mail?via=ios

"President Trump’s Twitter rant about mail-in voting omitted the that virtually everyone eligible to vote in his immediate family has sent their vote via the postal service."

"The White House has acknowledged the president mailed in ballots in New York in 2018 and in Florida this year, and the Orlando Sun-Sentinel reported that First Lady Melania Trump had recently also taken advantage of the Sunshine State’s remote voting program."

"On reviewing records from the Manhattan Board of Elections, The Daily Beast discovered that Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner, and the First Lady all had ballots mailed to them in Washington, D.C. as recently as the 2018 election cycle, and have done so since decamping to the capital three years ago. Eric Trump, who remains in New York, similarly exercised his franchise via envelope and stamp in 2017."

***Mike and Karen Pence used the address of the Indiana governor's mansion, which they moved out of in December 2016 as they transitioned to their new home in Washington, DC.
It's not illegal for the Pences to vote using their previous address, but it does undercut President Donald Trump's argument that mail-in ballots can lead to a rigged election.
https://www.businessinsider.com/vice-president-pence-voted-by-mail-in-indiana-gop-primary-2020-6

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
11. Until Wild Billy Barr and Donald Dunce can present ACTUAL court cases and convictions...
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 07:59 PM
Jun 2020

The dirty fascist SOBs do not deserve to bring it up to the public and ALL of the media should not be spreading their falsified issue.

If the media doesn't want to be called fake news, then stop giving them airtime for their lies and cheating, but do ridicule them for their lies and cheating with real facts. Make them afraid to even get close to a microphone.

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
13. He's either a disingenuous liar, or he's a goddamned moron.
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 08:08 PM
Jun 2020

I'll let him pick which one he wants to be.

The thing about dollar bills is that it's not like every dollar bill is collected by a central authority and counted every time each dollar is spent. So the anti-counterfeiting measures taken for cash have to be self evident, so a) they are hard to duplicate and b) easy to reasonably verify by any random person.

When all ballots are collected by a central authority to be tabulated, all one has to do is confirm that there are no duplicate ballots, and that every ballot received matches one that went out. You don't need sophisticated watermarks or hidden features/micro-printing on ballots.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
15. How come he hasn't taken action against Mail-In Ballot states after 2018?
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 08:08 PM
Jun 2020

The GOP got fucking trounced in WA State - every competitive House district went to the Dems. If fraud was the case, Trump's DOJ would have been on it like white on rice.

Just because a thing is POSSIBLE does not meant it is PROBABLE. Admitting that isn't to the GOP's advantage.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
16. My CA ballot has my name, my ballot #, and
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 08:09 PM
Jun 2020

a tear off receipt with my ballot # on it, too. Only ONE ballot with that name, address, & number can be counted. The algorithm used to produce that ballot matches the info on the returned ballot exactly, thereby negating any attempt to duplicate it.
Barr is an asshole.

Edited to add: counterfeiters would also have to match my signature on the back of the return envelope.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
18. Well that sounds pretty ridiculous...
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 08:13 PM
Jun 2020

Vote by mail is "okay" if you, you know travel...

So there is a difference between the mail if you travel and if you stay home?

I have voted absentee, then my county okay'd permanent vote by mail. There was NO difference in the procedure for receiving and sending in my ballot.

ALSO....

Do you think that we make absentee ballots AND dollar bills one at a time? Have you ever watched an episode of "How it's Made"? Maybe you should educate yourself before you continue showing us how ignorant you are.

Cha

(297,241 posts)
19. barr & trump are Lying POS'.. that's why. They're Scared to
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 08:20 PM
Jun 2020

to Pieces More People will Vote.. and evidently not their way.

lettucebe

(2,336 posts)
24. Since 2011 my state, Washington State, has been all voting by mail
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 11:12 PM
Jun 2020

It's ridiculous to say it's fraught with peril. It works beautifully, and don't even need a stamp

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