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JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 10:22 PM Sep 2012

The back story here may be that the Romney video was paid for.

Think about it. The room was filled with less than twenty well heeled supporters who were generally trusted. Though snippets of this video were leaked to the internet like bait for the highest bidder, the entire clip in higher res was dumped by a reporter from a high end website this afternoon. I'm certain the videographer entered the room ready to donate money.

If the person who filmed it now suspects Romney is going to lose anyway, he may have hedged his bets and sold out the campaign for a partial rebate of his now wasted donation. It's just good business sense.

It's their own fault for worshiping Ayn Rand. She would have strongly approved of stabbing someone in the back for a few pieces of silver.

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The back story here may be that the Romney video was paid for. (Original Post) JohnnyRingo Sep 2012 OP
good point I thought someone working in the home; but an Ayn Rander would recoup yes lunasun Sep 2012 #1
I think it was a caterer or other servant XemaSab Sep 2012 #9
Yeah, I think you were right about that. The angle, the placement. randome Sep 2012 #10
It's damn intriguing..Speculation Cha Sep 2012 #2
I don't believe the press was invited. JohnnyRingo Sep 2012 #4
No, it was also given to Isikoff according to Ed Schultz. sammytko Sep 2012 #6
Ah, thanks for straightening Cha Sep 2012 #7
I saw parts of it online before today. xfundy Sep 2012 #3
He could have been trolling for offers. JohnnyRingo Sep 2012 #5
someone had to pay to be in that room KurtNYC Sep 2012 #8
Scattered portions of it were already on YouTube. randome Sep 2012 #11
WELL CatWoman Sep 2012 #12
What happened between the taping and the release? JohnnyRingo Sep 2012 #14
Another possibility... Tom Rinaldo Sep 2012 #19
LOL... I think it's funny to spread THAT! w8liftinglady Sep 2012 #13
The simplest explanation is that the Democratic Party sent a tracker, which caught this video. backscatter712 Sep 2012 #15
It was invitation only, and you can see Romney seated at a table. JohnnyRingo Sep 2012 #17
Speculation is that David Corn was present. librechik Sep 2012 #16
David Corn wouldn't have waited four months to break this story JohnnyRingo Sep 2012 #18
actually Jimmy Carter's grandson unearthed the tape librechik Sep 2012 #20
It appears what Carter did was negotiate with the owner of the clip. JohnnyRingo Sep 2012 #23
Looks like it might have been one of the catering staff, judging by camera location Blaukraut Sep 2012 #21
It's located at the table to Mitt's left. JohnnyRingo Sep 2012 #22
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
10. Yeah, I think you were right about that. The angle, the placement.
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:24 PM
Sep 2012

A caterer nearby. Someone did this on the sly for fun, maybe, but now it's big news.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
2. It's damn intriguing..Speculation
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 10:45 PM
Sep 2012

Welcomed!

I read on DU that it was "Michael Isikoff, an investigative journalist for NBC News, formerly with the United States magazine Newsweek", who taped it(more shall be revealed at a later date). Don't know anymore details except James Carter's Research discovered it online.

How Jimmy Carter's Grandson Helped Leak the Secret Romney Fund-raiser Video


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014234677

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
4. I don't believe the press was invited.
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:13 PM
Sep 2012

This is one of those little speeches he gives behind closed doors to raise money on a personal level.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
7. Ah, thanks for straightening
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:20 PM
Sep 2012

that out, sammytko.

I was thinking maybe Isikoff was somehow invited and not in a press capacity.

So we still don't know who the actual video photographer was?

xfundy

(5,105 posts)
3. I saw parts of it online before today.
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:13 PM
Sep 2012

Honestly, weeks ago, I think. Never the whole thing. Saw the part about their wonderment at how the Chinese fence in their factories. At some point something, a pitcher, maybe, gets set in front of the camera.

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
5. He could have been trolling for offers.
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:16 PM
Sep 2012

I doubt it's too hard for a competent reporter to track down a host on YouTube.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
8. someone had to pay to be in that room
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:22 PM
Sep 2012

it was closed fund raiser

it is intriquing because they came out of the gathering with this tape -- then what? time has passed and it comes out now. What happened between the taping and the release?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
11. Scattered portions of it were already on YouTube.
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:26 PM
Sep 2012

I don't think anyone realized what the full video looked like until now.

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
14. What happened between the taping and the release?
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 02:11 AM
Sep 2012

"Negotiations".

This is a covey of shrewd successful businessmen, they know what to do when they have a product with a limited shelf life.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
19. Another possibility...
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:19 AM
Sep 2012

It is conceivable that some wealthy secret Obama supporter could have paid to be there to gather intelligence on the Romney campaign. Yeah I know, that means s/he had to donate to Romney to be there, BUT someone could purge any guilt over doing so by donating a lot more to Obama to make up for it.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
15. The simplest explanation is that the Democratic Party sent a tracker, which caught this video.
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:46 AM
Sep 2012

Both parties do this to each other - they send trackers to each other's events, and they'll use cameras, microphones, video and audio recording to try to catch each other with their pants down.

The Democratic Party, or one of their affiliated organizations, have the resources to buy tickets or pay donations, whatever, to get their trackers in the front door.

I'll just give a hearty thumbs-up to the Democratic tracker who caught Romney saying what he really thinks!

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
17. It was invitation only, and you can see Romney seated at a table.
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:07 AM
Sep 2012

Romney knew nearly everyone at that table at least by financial reputation, and there's no way a Democratic operative would sneak in. It's not such a stretch to imagine that one of the money barrons would film some of the talk with a smart phone and decide later that what he had was pure cash to the right person.

So many are assuming this was an example of party heroism or driven by a set of sterling ideals. Some things, especially among GOP supporters, just come down to dollars and cents. I don't believe this was done to purposely take Romney down for any particular reason, it was just business, a language Mitt knows all too well.

Today we're hearing the name of millionaire hedge fund manager Mark Leder as a possible leaker.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
16. Speculation is that David Corn was present.
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:49 AM
Sep 2012

I believe it. They were quite over-confident back in May, and probably thought of David as an insignificant bug under their Italian shoes.

People who make money off talking should be more careful about "bugs"

Just a theory

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
18. David Corn wouldn't have waited four months to break this story
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:12 AM
Sep 2012

He's a reporter constantly looking for a scoop, not a Democratic strategist.

Plus, in the video we see Romney seated at a table, not a podium. This was a cozy meeting among financial birds of a feather.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
20. actually Jimmy Carter's grandson unearthed the tape
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 12:42 PM
Sep 2012

I'm just repeating what liberal talking heads have said about Corn--maybe they were joking

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
23. It appears what Carter did was negotiate with the owner of the clip.
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 04:34 PM
Sep 2012

Apparently, he saw the snippets on YouTube and tracked down the poster. David Corn was offered the entire clip in hi-res... most likely for money because Carter has stated that he wants to earn a living at what he does.

He says he spends everyday searching for such things and has the resources to broker a deal like this.

At any rate, I'm proposing that the video is not the result of the actions of some high minded Robin Hood trying to bring the man down, so much as it is simple monetary greed on the part of a Romney donor. Certainly, that clip could recoup the wasted cost of that $50,000 dinner.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
21. Looks like it might have been one of the catering staff, judging by camera location
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 12:45 PM
Sep 2012

The camera seems to have been placed on a serving/catering table, in between some dishes.

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
22. It's located at the table to Mitt's left.
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 04:24 PM
Sep 2012

Last edited Tue Sep 18, 2012, 05:14 PM - Edit history (1)

Clearly, it's one of the people seated at the table with Mitt and his smart phone placed before him.

I know everyone wants to find a working class hero who has the lofty ideals to do the right thing, but I think it's more likely it was leaked by one of the $50,000 guests for money when he realized he'd thrown away a bit of change. That vid could be worth double that for a seasoned negotiator.

That to me is more likely than a minimum wage waitstaff thinking: "I'm going to risk my job to blow the lid off this whole thing". It's nowhere as romantic, but this could just be a shrewd business decision by someone who makes such calls every day.

On edit:
After watching the clip again, it does appear to be at a table detached from the main dining seating. Still, I maintain that Mitt was likely stabbed in the back by an enterprising follower of Ayn Rand.

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