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When was trump going to have the Taliban at Camp David, anyone remember?
Link to tweet
dalton99a
(81,599 posts)whttevrr
(2,345 posts)"Why did you let Putin put a bounty on US Troops?"
dalton99a
(81,599 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Xolodno
(6,401 posts)A lot of the mentality at the time was to give the Soviet Union their own version of Vietnam. And that was massively successful.
But like Iran and Cuba, it came back to bite us in the ass. Everyone was so enveloped in getting revenge against the communists for Vietnam, none of them stopped to think if they should in this case.
And in this case, they should have let the Soviets fully own this. As soon as we got our revenge, we bailed on them and ignored the civil war...as we didn't have a plan in place once the Soviets were repelled. We fucked up, big time. And shit, if the Soviets "pacified" the area....we may never had Bin Laden.
Add to the irony, we approved and encouraged Yeltsin's choice of VP, Vladmir Putin. A less than average KGB agent who became Mayor who seemed to hold very few ambitions. And the US thought they could "control" him, particularly after the loans the IMF gave to Yeltsin.
Putin paid those off ASAP and then began rebuilding the country with a huge ferocity. From becoming a token member of the G8 to an asshole regional power. And now, going tit for tat of old grievances.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)JI7
(89,276 posts)Whiskeytide
(4,463 posts)... just didnt realize it for 25 years.
Xolodno
(6,401 posts)From supporting blood thirsty dictators in Africa to South/Central America to Southeast Asia.
We created puppet governments, ignored human rights violations and even ignoring governments taking "socialists" in a plane and dropping them out in the middle of the ocean.
Granted the Soviet government was probably far worse....
....but it still doesn't make any of this "ok".
A couple of centuries from now, assuming we don't destroy ourselves, history is going to judge very harshly on the Cold War and aftermath.
JI7
(89,276 posts)suffering.
It's like idiots bringing up WWII in order to attack Japan or Germany right now . And same with other similar shit when they want to attack countries for something unrelated today.
If you want a discussion about these things then discuss it in itself.
Not as a distraction and excuse for fucked up things done now.
And especially not to distract for Trump and what he is doing as so called President.
oasis
(49,410 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)mike_c
(36,281 posts)We supplied and equipped the mujahedin that later morphed into al-Qaeda to kill Russians during their occupation. Let's not clutch our pearls when karma comes back around.
Cha
(297,723 posts)just like he did with the CV?
And, no one is clutching their damn pearls as you say.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)Good deal. My point remains, that we-- as a nation-- have no moral high ground here at all. And that has nothing to do with Trump.
Cha
(297,723 posts)EleanorR
(2,395 posts)He's very much putin's puppet.
JI7
(89,276 posts)and Russians are suffering under Putin right now.
questionseverything
(9,661 posts)it is the idea of the commander and chief going along with it
BannonsLiver
(16,470 posts)We supplied their fathers, grandfathers and even great grandfathers with all kinds of toys 40 years ago as the Cold War was in its stretch run. They used those weapons to kill a lot of Russians. Thats very true.
Also true: It has fuck all to do with this.
dansolo
(5,376 posts)Trump is trying to act like Russia is a friend of the US, to the point of trying to remove all sanctions that have been imposed for all the other things Russia has done. The issue here is Trump's response.
Cha
(297,723 posts)Leghorn21
(13,526 posts)Dear Leader will sell them out to Vlad at the right time and in the right place and given half a chance??!
WE ARE ALL EXPENDABLE as far as trump is concerned
ALL OF US
nuxvomica
(12,447 posts)It's mentioned briefly in the article but the Brits must be pissed about the delay in sharing the information. Their troops were also targeted.
JHB
(37,162 posts)...but was cancelled after a Taliban car bombing a week earlier.
Prior to that Trump had been pushing for it over the objections of just about everyone around him, including Pence.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/09/politics/camp-david-donald-trump-mike-pence-taliban/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/07/politics/trump-cancels-secret-meeting-taliban-afghanistan-president/index.html