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Dr. Anthony Fauci says he would "settle" for a Covid-19 vaccine that's 70% to 75% effective, but that this incomplete protection, coupled with the fact that many Americans say they won't get a coronavirus vaccine, makes it "unlikely" that the US will achieve sufficient levels of immunity to quell the outbreak.
With government support, three coronavirus vaccines are expected to be studied in large-scale clinical trials in the next three months.
"The best we've ever done is measles, which is 97 to 98 percent effective," said Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. "That would be wonderful if we get there. I don't think we will. I would settle for [a] 70, 75% effective vaccine."
A CNN poll last month found one-third of Americans said they would not try to get vaccinated against Covid, even if the vaccine is widely available and low cost.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/covid-19-vaccine-might-not-get-us-the-herd-immunity-if-too-many-people-refuse-to-get-it-fauci-says/ar-BB1659Qd?li=BBnb7Kz
We're already getting fucked by the anti-maskers so it looks like the anti-vaxxers will do their bit as well.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)I think all of this vaccine is right around the corner is just happy talk to keep morale up.
Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)some viruses never seem to get one.
FreeState
(10,572 posts)have ever successfully been developed.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Than worrying what people might do a year or two out, with something that doesn't exist yet.
KPN
(15,646 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)They're likely to roll out some bullshit that doesn't really work and might also be dangerous just as an "October surprise."
Yeah, not a lot of trust here and I am no anti-vaxxer. I get my flu shots regularly.
Blasphemer
(3,261 posts)As someone who is also strongly pro-vaccination, I totally understand why people are skeptical. The administration is incompetent and reckless and scientists are trying to speed up the normal timeline. The two together should have people worried.
This is a dangerous illness that leaves even people with mild symptoms disabled
The speed-up isn't related to skipping steps - it is related to combining medical progress with readiness progress. In other words we will be testing effectiveness simultaneously with manufacturing doses so that the moment it is proven effective and safe it can be rolled out. That's a monetary risk, not a health risk.
There will be peer-reviewed information available before the vaccine is rolled out that will include information about whehter this is some sort of novel pathway to creating immunity - or a garden-variety immunization.
I have never had an influenza vaccine. The illnesses are not deadly enough, I'm relatively less susceptible (I very rarely get influenza - and neither my mother nor grandmother (who survived the 1918 pandemic) have ever had the flu) or debilitating enough if I do get it - combined with an effectiveness that has been south of 50% every year since 2011. I have not yet had some of the "old people vaccines."
COVID 19 blows that calculation out of the water (deadly, debilitating, no clue whether I am susceptible to variations of the coronavirus, but I suspect I am since I've had horrendous colds all my life that now respond to zinc - which suggests they are corona- rather than rhino-viruses). As long as there is a reasonably effective vaccine (50% or higher), with peer-reviewed research I trust, I will be among the first in line.
So the distinction between getting a vaccine for COVID 19 and being pro/anti-vax doesn't apply (and from my perspective is not a real distinction, since each camp labels me as being in the other camp - I take a reasoned, research-based approach to all vaccination. I get most of them, but some (mainly influenza) I don't).
moonscape
(4,673 posts)first in line for a new vaccine. I'll remain in isolation, no risk to myself or others, and see how it pans out first ...
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Not just something that Trump is working on.
Frankly a vaccine is more likely to come out of China, UK or France than the US.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)seems beyond guaranteed.
Actually getting a bad drug into national circulation, though, isn't something I worry about. This group really would try to sell bleach as a vaccine if they could, of course, but they can't. Expert warnings about inadequate testing or whatever, including virtually certainly the FDA!, would immediately turn any actual attempt into the latest scandal.
leftieNanner
(15,127 posts)But I certainly would not be first in line if they rush one out to the marketplace too soon. Until it's proven safe, I won't get one.
It feels like this administration is pushing for a vaccine before it's fully tested just so Ass Face can stand up and call himself a hero.
Instead, I will continue to stay home, social distance, and wear a mask.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)And it will take a long time, to manufacture 7 billion doses and hand them out. And that line will be quite long.
Id rather be at the middle of the line, instead of the very front. And given that not EVERYONE can be at the front of the line, I don't see a problem.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,354 posts)I was in the trials of Salk's vaccine, back when. Still, doubled-up and took Sabin's as well.
I'm way pro-vaxxer, but don't care to try shooting insecticide, bleach, drano, antifreeze, or any other Trumpian remedies.
genxlib
(5,528 posts)He will have one-third convinced that science is bunk and that it isn't needed.
And then he will have another third so mistrusting of his snake oil and political motivations that they would be wary of anything that comes out. I know that would be true before October. Perhaps less true during the lame duck period.
I'm not saying I wouldn't take it but I would be very wary of any miracle cure that comes out before the election.
FBaggins
(26,749 posts)Just saying
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)I think that most people will get this vaccine once it actually exists.
Right now people are wary about something that doesn't exist and certainly has not been tested.
A decade out, assuming a vaccine is invented, this will be as common as any other vaccine we routinely take.
marlakay
(11,479 posts)I am not against a vaccine but dont want the rushed one that is sure to have side effects or not work. I am willing to wait for better vaccine. Kind of like the shingles vaccine I waited to get the better one with two doses.
louis-t
(23,295 posts)I had shingles. Sheesh!
marlakay
(11,479 posts)I heard it was only 70% effective and one I took in mid 90s.
Sorry you got it, hope not bad, I forced myself because I knew some people that had it painfully.
louis-t
(23,295 posts)Painful and itchy for 2 weeks.
KPN
(15,646 posts)legitimate reasons for not wanting to get vaccinated when it first comes out. .... There are actually medical reasons in some cases that justify not getting it. Here's one example: people who have had GBS don't typically get flu shots. I'll let you do the research on that.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)Pobeka
(4,999 posts)I sadly have lost enough trust in the USA health/govt system that the odds of them pushing an unsafe vaccine on us seem waaay too high.
Once a Biden admin is in place, and real science is in control again, I'll change my tune.
MrsMatt
(1,660 posts)is a cover for insertion of a microchip developed by the Billderberg group / Soros / Queen Elizabeth / Pope Francis / Jeff Bezos / BIll Gates (pick one or all) to track your movements.
At least, according to the FB post of one of my high school friends.