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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNovel swine flu discovered in China -- and it has potential to create a second pandemic: report
Hey, maybe people will start wearing masks.
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/novel-swine-flu-discovered-in-china-and-it-has-potential-to-create-a-second-pandemic-report/
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The world could be facing a second pandemic as COVID-19 continues to spread across the globe.
A new strain of flu that has the potential to become pandemic has been identified in China by scientists. It emerged recently and is carried by pigs, but can infect humans, they say, the BBC reported Monday.
The researchers are concerned that it could mutate further so that it can spread easily from person to person, and trigger a global outbreak. They say it has all the hallmarks of being highly adapted to infect humans and needs close monitoring, the BBC confirmed. As its new, people could have little or no immunity to the virus.
2naSalit
(86,650 posts)at140
(6,110 posts)India is more crowded and dirty, but do not hear many viruses originating there. I am curious. Anyone knows the answer?
EllieBC
(3,016 posts)vegetarians? I dont think they have as many live animal markets. Seems to spread easily if you have those.
at140
(6,110 posts)sunonmars
(8,656 posts)spinbaby
(15,090 posts)That its common for people too live in close proximity to pigs and poultry in rural China. New diseases appear when the viruses hopscotch from species to species. The 1918 flu was thought to originate in Kansas for the same reason.
Sugarcoated
(7,724 posts)I've wondered myself why these diseases predominately start in China...
DetroitLegalBeagle
(1,924 posts)And the sheer population size. The more people and livestock you have together, the greater chance of a jump. Poor sanitation makes it worse.
AJT
(5,240 posts)in eating habits?
Mariana
(14,858 posts)Lots of pigs and lots of poultry.
JHB
(37,161 posts)People and animals in close quarters under conditions that make it easier for viruses to jump from one host species to another.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2020-03-04/why-so-many-epidemics-originate-in-asia-and-africa
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[Rapid urbanization] on that scale means forest land is destroyed to create residential areas. Wild animals, forced to move closer to cities and towns, inevitably encounter domestic animals and the human population. Wild animals often harbor viruses; bats, for instance, can carry hundreds of them. And viruses, jumping species to species, can ultimately infect people.
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On both continents, many families depend on subsistence farming and a minuscule supply of livestock. Disease control, feed supplementation and housing for those animals is extremely limited. Cattle, chickens and pigs, which can carry endemic disease, are often in close contact with each other, a variety of nondomestic animals and humans.
And not just on the farms: Live animal markets, commonplace throughout Asia and Africa, feature crowded conditions and the intimate mixing of multiple species, including humans. This too plays a key role in how a killer pathogen could emerge and spread between species.
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So is traditional Chinese medicine, which purports to provide remedies for a host of conditions like arthritis, epilepsy and erectile dysfunction. Although no scientific evidence exists to support most of the claims, Asia is an enormous consumer of traditional Chinese medicine products. Tigers, bears, rhinos, pangolins and other animal species are poached so their body parts can be mixed into these questionable medications. This, too, is a major contributor to increasing animal-human interactions. What's more, demand is likely to go up, as online marketing soars along with Asia's relentless economic growth.
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)Many Hindus are vegetarian and Muslims eat Hallal meat, very similar to Kosher.
Karadeniz
(22,540 posts)That the rest of us wouldn't eat, but germs get spread around.
at140
(6,110 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Doremus
(7,261 posts)Apparently up until 10,000 years ago, humans were cold- and flu-free. Then we started domesticating animals and that's when our troubles began. IIRC, horses gave us the common cold, birds and pigs several strains of flu,and so on.
Moral of the story is that animals eventually extract their revenge when we exploit them for our own purposes, be it for food, beasts of burden, etc.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,862 posts)and I believe they tend to eat each others' feces. They all pass the influenza virus back and forth but are not affected by it. It's the passing back and forth that leads to it evolving so rapidly.
There was a time when European peasants kept their livestock in their homes, and I believe that at least some of the old-time childhood diseases, for example measles, came about when something jumped from cattle to humans.
cayugafalls
(5,641 posts)Really sad. Hopefully it will not mutate further.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)It would have had our scientists in China working hand in hand with Chinese scientists to get ahead of this threat. Of course, Trump eliminated all of that.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Covid pandemic already is plenty. We don't need another one.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)We have our usual flu outbreak coming up, plus the second coming of COVID-19.
If Mother Nature is trying to cut back on the population of the world, she's doing a pretty good job. Give us a break.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Merlot
(9,696 posts)sakabatou
(42,159 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I guess there is nothing more fitting after a hard kick on one ass cheek than a hard kick on the other one.
magicarpet
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But researchers of zoonotic diseases diseases that jump from animals to humans pinpoint the wet markets in mainland China as particularly problematic for several reasons. First, these markets often have many different kinds of animals some wild, some domesticated but not necessarily native to that part of Asia. The stress of captivity in these chaotic markets weakens the animals' immune systems and creates an environment where viruses from different species can mingle, swap bits of their genetic code and spread from one species to another, according to biologist Kevin Olival, vice president for research at the EcoHealth Alliance. When that happens, occasionally a new strain of an animal virus gets a foothold in humans and an outbreak like this current coronavirus erupts.
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https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/01/31/800975655/why-theyre-called-wet-markets-and-what-health-risks-they-might-pose
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)at140
(6,110 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)at140
(6,110 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)But, the problem seems to be a worldwide one.
One thing about China is it has greate scientists and engineers, but a few of them take on a Wild West mentality.
louis-t
(23,295 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)At least they're edible in case of famine.......
Will tRump pay attention to this one?
Afromania
(2,769 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Our scientists should be there helping out.
erronis
(15,303 posts)They've perfected messages that will send some large portion of dimwits to bleach (or ammonia) bottles, to crowd together in mosh pits and suck each other's, to obfuscate any messages about masks, social distancing, hand-washing, etc.
They've perfected messages to have millions of people in the US to self-destruct.
Who would want the US to self-destruct? And how will trumpf and family make it safely to the USSR? And will their remains ever be found?
hunter
(38,318 posts)It's pandemics and global warming catastrophes all the way down.
We could fix this by quitting fossil fuels and meat.
We could promote realistic sex education and birth control.
We won't.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)...and with 8 billion ready made hosts for it.
bamagal62
(3,264 posts)Saying it could jump to humans, means it probably already has. Theres usually about a 3 month lag from them finding something and then admitting it to the world. Great. Just great.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)So, I am afraid it could be the case.
EllieBC
(3,016 posts)Its probably already spreading there. This is going to be a bad winter.
marie999
(3,334 posts)but I don't think there will be too many humans will be around by then.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Were going to need them for some time...
photokath
(47 posts)This kind of sucks! Hopefully by then we will have a good administration and president, BUT I won't hold my breath.