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Trueblue Texan

(2,430 posts)
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 10:03 PM Jun 2020

I do believe Trump could resign...

If his numbers don’t start looking better. If he truly believes he’s going to lose, he will step down, allow Pence to pardon him and leave the country. He knows he is done soon. He would rather abdicate his position than lose AND be escorted in hand cuffs. He knows what’s coming. The man has a survivor’s instinct.

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I do believe Trump could resign... (Original Post) Trueblue Texan Jun 2020 OP
I don't think he'd step down. He might declare he isn't running, Ilsa Jun 2020 #1
Maybe Pence becomes prez and does not pardon Trump. NCjack Jun 2020 #2
That's the point I've been making all along... regnaD kciN Jun 2020 #5
I keep thinking about how CIA Director, William Casey, supposedly Mme. Defarge Jun 2020 #3
I wonder if the deplorables would freak the f out if he resigns or decides not to run mucifer Jun 2020 #4
As long as there is a single dollar left in the Treasury for his family to grift, ResistantAmerican17 Jun 2020 #6
He would leave by daylight if you granted him immunity now. Under The Radar Jun 2020 #7
grrrr... no immunity.. i want that entire family jailed.... samnsara Jun 2020 #9
does joe have a contingency plan for running against pence? samnsara Jun 2020 #8
Don't kid yourself. That is not going to happen underpants Jun 2020 #10
His indoctrinated will lose their minds if he were to step down. They'd revolt. herding cats Jun 2020 #11
If he's 20 points under water on approval and 15 points behind Biden, I think he'd go. Doodley Jun 2020 #12
I keep brow beating this in other threads, but here I go again... Xolodno Jun 2020 #13
This sounds entirely plausible... Trueblue Texan Jun 2020 #19
He might get too sick to run GreenPartyVoter Jun 2020 #14
I think he could resign Dorian Gray Jun 2020 #15
I understand that this could happen... Trueblue Texan Jun 2020 #20
No it shouldn't... Dorian Gray Jun 2020 #23
No way he'd leave this country. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2020 #16
yeah, but does secret service help all that much when yer in the slammer? Trueblue Texan Jun 2020 #21
He is obviously feeling a lot of pressure from Republicans. kentuck Jun 2020 #17
If he truly believes he's going to lose... PTWB Jun 2020 #18
That sounds almost rational given the circumstances. When has Trump ever been rational?? retread Jun 2020 #22

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
1. I don't think he'd step down. He might declare he isn't running,
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 10:05 PM
Jun 2020

but I think he wants to remain a little longer so he can tie off anything embarrassing or finish some deals.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
5. That's the point I've been making all along...
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 10:13 PM
Jun 2020

Sure, Pence may agree to pardon Trump, but once the latter hands in his resignation letter and the former is sworn-in, he has every right to change his mind and Trump can't do a thing about it. And don't think Trump, who has made double-crossing and breaking verbal promises once he gets want he wants a cornerstone of his modus operandi, doesn't realize it full well. In fact, I'm pretty sure he would expect Pence to renege on any deal once Trump has no more leverage. Which is why I'm not only near-certain Trump won't resign, but pretty sure that, should Biden emerge from November's election with 270+ electoral votes, Trump will try to find some way to overturn the outcome (for example, have Republican-controlled state governments where Biden wins the popular vote disregard the results and appoint Trump electors anyway...which, in most states, is perfectly legal) or declare a state of emergency in a bid to hold onto power indefinitely.

Mme. Defarge

(8,033 posts)
3. I keep thinking about how CIA Director, William Casey, supposedly
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 10:13 PM
Jun 2020

conveniently “died” the day he was supposed to testify in an Iran-Contra hearing.

mucifer

(23,547 posts)
4. I wonder if the deplorables would freak the f out if he resigns or decides not to run
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 10:13 PM
Jun 2020

I hope they wouldn't all back someone new.

ResistantAmerican17

(3,809 posts)
6. As long as there is a single dollar left in the Treasury for his family to grift,
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 10:14 PM
Jun 2020

A single act of treason he can offer in exchange for campaign aid, or single Nazi white supremacist racist he can empower, he will stay.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
11. His indoctrinated will lose their minds if he were to step down. They'd revolt.
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 10:58 PM
Jun 2020

That's the problem with a cult of personality campaign. They're literally some of the least likely to show up for a Romney type candidate in a brokered convention. They'll rail against anyone not their chosen nutcase.

Establishment Republicans know this. I deeply think this rumor is being spread via Anti Trump Republicans. They're baiting him again.

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
13. I keep brow beating this in other threads, but here I go again...
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 11:26 PM
Jun 2020

...If he resigns, it will be after the election. He's skimming off of the campaign funds and using the office for his personal gain (not to mention he gets free body guards afterwards...its well reported he eats fast food because of the difficulty in poisoning it...and if he's that scared already, then he's got some serious problems).

Once he loses, then he'll get what he can and resign. And Pence, whose political career is now over since he chained himself to a dead prostitute, will pardon him. From pressure of other rank and file GOP. Investigations can be drawn out for years and hurt the party for years. A quick and fast pardon essentially ends all of that.

Sure there are state investigations, but a Federal pardon will complicate things. Particularly if the crime is not just a state issue but Federal. And if they find a crime with a good separate boundary, it will be tied up for years in appeals and states don't have the resources like the Federal government has. So they'll probably abandon the issue and move on to something that is more of a slam dunk.

Trump and family is going to walk. But they have another problem. The name will be toxic in the business world. Once Trump keels over, it won't surprise me the family becomes adversarial to each other, take their portion.....and sell it off. They will reinvest quietly without the Trump name, become silent partners, etc. Won't surprise me either if one of them loses everything in the end.

Trump built up his brand....and in the end, destroyed it. He has no legacy after this.

Trueblue Texan

(2,430 posts)
19. This sounds entirely plausible...
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:47 AM
Jun 2020

...but I have faith they won't walk. Mostly I don't want Trump to walk. But he will resign if he loses. He has never cared about looking like a statesman and he'll walk off the job like Sarah Palin when it is most advantageous to him. He will angle for that pardon and all the loot he can walk away with. I honestly don't think he has the energy to do all the other stuff you are concerned with. He'll find a place to go and we'll never get him...at least that's what I'm afraid of. He and his name will be toxic, but I fear, will remain outside of the grasp of justice. I'm trying to have faith.

Dorian Gray

(13,496 posts)
15. I think he could resign
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:40 AM
Jun 2020

but I don't see him facing jail. I just don't.

Everybody in government would fear the precedent it set.

(Unless an individual prosecutor got him.... But not federal charges. He'll be got for laundering money if anything... down the road.)

Trueblue Texan

(2,430 posts)
20. I understand that this could happen...
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:50 AM
Jun 2020

... but if he gets off with a slap on the wrist simply because he held the office of the presidency, that's like saying, if you want to really crime with immunity, go for the highest office to do it. Because that's what happened. Justice should not reward that method of committing crime. That would be a far more harmful precedent.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,344 posts)
16. No way he'd leave this country.
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 06:46 AM
Jun 2020

Here, he has Secret Service protection. I don't know if that would continue if he moved out.

He's likely in debt to Russian mobs, who don't recognize bankruptcy, either chapter 7 or 11. They'd like to have a word with him.




 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
18. If he truly believes he's going to lose...
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:06 AM
Jun 2020

He will cheat harder to win. He will amp up the voter suppression and stuff the ballot boxes.

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