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brush

(53,784 posts)
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 10:14 PM Jun 2020

Susan Rice was just on Rachel and just about called trump a traitor.

She stopped short of saying traitor. She said that his failure to act upon the intel of Putin paying bounties was a colossal failure and an extreme case of disloyalty to our troops and country. She also implicated Esper and Pompeo and all the other top admin officials who all receive the PDB, which included this intel months ago, for not immediately walking into the Oval office and telling the president that they would immediately convene the National Security Council to track down and verify the intel and then work up options for him to pursue in retaliation, ranging from at the lowest level—diplomatic measures to mid-level possible economic sanctions to top level military options.

Since they all failed to do their duty, and trump hasn't reacted to the Russian aggression to our troops, and has had several phone calls and interactions with Putin to try to get Russia back in the G-8 as well as inviting him to Washington, they all are complicit.

The above scenario would of course be if trump was also in the loop and was about to call them in. Rice said there is no way for trump to be out of the loop even if trump and McEnany claim he wasn't informed, as all of those other officials are duty bound to inform him and work up the above options.

Again, there is no way for trump not to know. He ignored it, allowed the aggression against our troops to continue and made continued overtures to ingratiate himself into Putin's favor.

Rice was so steely and straight forward in knowing exactly what to do, IMO she should be a front runner for VP.

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Susan Rice was just on Rachel and just about called trump a traitor. (Original Post) brush Jun 2020 OP
My personal favorite Mme. Defarge Jun 2020 #1
+++ still_one Jun 2020 #4
Mine too! luvallpeeps Jun 2020 #12
Unparalleled foreign policy savvy, Mme. Defarge Jun 2020 #13
So many great picks for Biden, babylonsister Jun 2020 #2
Rice's answer to Rachel's VP question: she is proud to even be among that group of FailureToCommunicate Jun 2020 #9
I was impressed with her, gab13by13 Jun 2020 #3
Rice jumped to the front of the VP line if Biden's people saw the interview. oasis Jun 2020 #5
Here is a piece of the interview with Susan Rice teach1st Jun 2020 #6
She's truly amazing! herding cats Jun 2020 #7
Recommended BeyondGeography Jun 2020 #8
A veterans ad did. triron Jun 2020 #10
Yeah, I saw that. It didn't pull any punches. brush Jun 2020 #11
K&R! n/t PandoraAwakened Jun 2020 #14
She showed the VoteVets PAC ad that explicitly calls. Trump a traitor. grantcart Jun 2020 #15
And Pompous Pompeo, a West Point grad and ex-military Hassler Jun 2020 #16
Pompeo sold out long time ago and I believe he is an active participant in the whole shit JI7 Jun 2020 #19
Susan Rice Gamma Jun 2020 #17
Pence dare not bring up the subject of Benghazi. nt oasis Jun 2020 #28
Susan Rice is One Heckuva Smart Cookie! panfluteman Jun 2020 #18
She's the perfect V.P. pick for Biden!!! ElementaryPenguin Jun 2020 #20
Videos - Rice: 'Makes No Sense' That Trump Wasn't Told Of Russia Bounties - Rachel Maddow - MSNBC Rhiannon12866 Jun 2020 #21
K&R brer cat Jun 2020 #22
Yes, she's #1 for VP in my mind jimlup Jun 2020 #23
"just about called/traitor" - words like traitor and sadistic shouldn't be modified UTUSN Jun 2020 #24
"Almost called him a traitor" is my description of what she said. brush Jun 2020 #25
Not being contentious with you. All I can post to is what I see, here not really about RICE. UTUSN Jun 2020 #26
You're technically right about the definition of treason. brush Jun 2020 #27
"OR adheres...aid & comfort" - not "technically" right. It's ALL a "primary" definition. UTUSN Jun 2020 #29
You are spot on. triron Jun 2020 #31
So be it. It's nothing to argue over. We both know arguing whether trump... brush Jun 2020 #33
Thank you. triron Jun 2020 #30
Wow, I'm overwhelmed, am not used to much kindness! Thank YOU! UTUSN Jun 2020 #32

babylonsister

(171,070 posts)
2. So many great picks for Biden,
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 10:24 PM
Jun 2020

and I missed the interview so thanks for that. My first choice has been Susan Rice since she got on the list. I think her background is invaluable.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
9. Rice's answer to Rachel's VP question: she is proud to even be among that group of
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 10:45 PM
Jun 2020

distinguished women.

Class.

gab13by13

(21,359 posts)
3. I was impressed with her,
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 10:24 PM
Jun 2020

she would make a fantastic V.P. She would blow Pence out of the water in a debate.

teach1st

(5,935 posts)
6. Here is a piece of the interview with Susan Rice
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 10:28 PM
Jun 2020

From @MaddowBlog





"Either President Trump acted in a fashion that is profoundly disloyal to the United States of America and our men and women in uniform, or he has abdicated his responsibility as commander in chief..." -Former National Security Advisor Susan Rice

Hassler

(3,379 posts)
16. And Pompous Pompeo, a West Point grad and ex-military
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:02 AM
Jun 2020

Still works for POUTUS and still hasn't said a word. Another gutless wonder like Gym "see no evil" Jordan.

JI7

(89,251 posts)
19. Pompeo sold out long time ago and I believe he is an active participant in the whole shit
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 01:00 AM
Jun 2020

not just someone who is there and scared to speak out.

panfluteman

(2,065 posts)
18. Susan Rice is One Heckuva Smart Cookie!
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:59 AM
Jun 2020

She was very judicious with her words in stopping short of calling Trump a traitor, and I suppose that she was technically right in not calling him that, since there has been no formal declaration of war against Russia. I myself would not have been able to muster such restraint - I'd be yelling, "Trump is a traitor" from the rooftops. Yeah, Susan Rice might just be the best pick for VP to whip the country back into shape and undo all the diplomatic and national security damage that Trump has done.

ElementaryPenguin

(7,800 posts)
20. She's the perfect V.P. pick for Biden!!!
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 01:17 AM
Jun 2020

I hope he was watching. She's someone who could definitely step in and be President from day one.

Rhiannon12866

(205,467 posts)
21. Videos - Rice: 'Makes No Sense' That Trump Wasn't Told Of Russia Bounties - Rachel Maddow - MSNBC
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 01:38 AM
Jun 2020


Susan Rice, former national security advisor in the Obama administration, talks with Rachel Maddow about shocking reporting that Russia paid Taliban fighters to kill U.S. service members and that Donald Trump, upon learning this, did not do anything. Aired on 6/29/2020.



Rice: No Higher Imperative For U.S. Than Electing Joe Biden - Rachel Maddow - MSNBC



Susan Rice, former national security advisor in the Obama administration, talks with Rachel Maddow about reports that she is under consideration to be Joe Biden's running mate and her willingness to do whatever is asked of her to help Biden win in 2020. Aired on 6/29/2020.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
23. Yes, she's #1 for VP in my mind
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 04:00 PM
Jun 2020

She's the most competent and experienced at the national and international level.

UTUSN

(70,706 posts)
24. "just about called/traitor" - words like traitor and sadistic shouldn't be modified
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:05 PM
Jun 2020

In another news item, about SHITLER's being his usual piece of excrement in how he abused women heads-of-state, the Watergate lesser-half, Carl BERNSTEIN said that SHITLER was " *near*-sadistic." Now, words being BERNSTEIN's tools, he should be smarter than the average bear about using them - either somebody is sadistic or they're not. And adding a layer to the irony, Nora EPHRON's book and movie about being married to philanderer BERNSTEIN, Heartburn, take the edge off of his defense of women.

So here am just reacting to RICE stopping short of calling SHITLER "traitor." Well, she didn't say it with a modifier attached, like "almost." Either he is or he's not. I vote "yes."






brush

(53,784 posts)
25. "Almost called him a traitor" is my description of what she said.
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:42 PM
Jun 2020

Her actual wording is different. She used "disloyal" to the troops and the nation if I recall. And since we are not at war with Russia he doesn't actually qualify as a traitor. Putin boot licker, ass kisser and obsequious a-hole all apply, but not a traitor, yet.

Another poster posted a video on this thread of Rice's interview with Maddow. You can view it for yourself.

UTUSN

(70,706 posts)
26. Not being contentious with you. All I can post to is what I see, here not really about RICE.
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:48 PM
Jun 2020

Although, now that you raised the point, I don't think we have to be at war for there to be treason.






brush

(53,784 posts)
27. You're technically right about the definition of treason.
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 07:55 PM
Jun 2020

Levying war against one's country is however a primary definition.

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and ...

UTUSN

(70,706 posts)
29. "OR adheres...aid & comfort" - not "technically" right. It's ALL a "primary" definition.
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 08:04 PM
Jun 2020

Whups, CAN'T STOP MYSELF!1 Really, don't want to quarrel with you!1






brush

(53,784 posts)
33. So be it. It's nothing to argue over. We both know arguing whether trump...
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 08:16 PM
Jun 2020

is an inept imposter is not worth our time.

UTUSN

(70,706 posts)
32. Wow, I'm overwhelmed, am not used to much kindness! Thank YOU!
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 08:15 PM
Jun 2020

It's just that since seeing the morning thread about "NEAR-sadistic" and then this about "ALMOST traitor" - my low tolerance bubbled over!1 My elderly sister fumes when I am picky about her fuzzy language!1 Here refrain is that I am picky and KNOW what she means!1 In talking with her and others I have to keep track of my own meaning while I simultaneously gauge how *they* process what they hear and how they interpret things.




















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