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shockey80

(4,379 posts)
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:11 PM Jun 2020

Vice President: I believe Biden will pick Susan Rice for this reason.

Her experience is unmatched by the other candidates. I am in no way putting down the other candidates. They are all very good choices.

Rice worked for years with Biden and Obama in the Whitehouse. She knows how the Whitehouse works. She worked as the national security advisor to Obama. She was the ambassador to the UN. When it comes to national defense and foreign policy, she knows all the players. There is no learning curve with Susan Rice.

Susan Rice checks all the boxes and she would be ready to go on day one. Biden needs someone like her.

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Vice President: I believe Biden will pick Susan Rice for this reason. (Original Post) shockey80 Jun 2020 OP
That is why I prefer her to be the candidate also still_one Jun 2020 #1
The "Whitehouse?" cwydro Jun 2020 #2
I agree. ElementaryPenguin Jun 2020 #3
I'd say she misses a few boxes, personally. Happy Hoosier Jun 2020 #4
Agreed Bayard Jun 2020 #12
That's not good news for Susan Rice's chances to be named running mate. nt LexVegas Jun 2020 #5
Fabulous! Mme. Defarge Jun 2020 #6
I'd be fine with that. LuvNewcastle Jun 2020 #7
"Please don't throw me in that briar patch!" MoonRiver Jun 2020 #8
There was a post here on DU about her son being a proTrump proBooferBrett RWNJ RockRaven Jun 2020 #9
I agree, she would also be a very good choice for Secretary of State. shockey80 Jun 2020 #10
RW media would make campaign ALL about her son's rejection of Democratic policies blm Jun 2020 #11
Agree Rice should be in the Administration but not as VP. Just as her history as Prosecutor tanked in2herbs Jun 2020 #14
Her son is an adult making his own choices, 2naSalit Jun 2020 #18
You misunderstand. Dems don't control the media and there's enough for the Biden in2herbs Jun 2020 #24
Oh but I do understand quite well. 2naSalit Jun 2020 #30
It's not my view of her or him, it's the narrative the media will run with. blm Jun 2020 #31
I don't think that's going to matter this time... 2naSalit Jun 2020 #33
I agree PatSeg Jun 2020 #42
I agree with you. The concern about her son is bullshit. Solomon Jun 2020 #37
WE know it's bullshit, but that is prime fertilizer for RW media to form blm Jun 2020 #38
The son thing is a red herring... 2naSalit Jun 2020 #39
She has a plan for that BeyondGeography Jun 2020 #27
He is picking the next president to be ready in 4 years... lame54 Jun 2020 #13
Or 8 years Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #41
He won't - i do not believe that is his plan lame54 Jun 2020 #49
What any of us "believes" is irrelevant Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #52
He has already said that he will see how the first term is going Blue_true Jun 2020 #50
Most candidates say that Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #53
I also like Ambassador Rice Gothmog Jun 2020 #15
I have been hoping she'd be the one for a long time now... 2naSalit Jun 2020 #16
If the ticket doesn't win the election Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #20
Good post. shockey80 Jun 2020 #23
Thanks, I'd like to add... 2naSalit Jun 2020 #28
Experience doesn't matter in elections Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #17
I believe Rice will not be the pick BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #19
I agree with you. cwydro Jun 2020 #22
I agree and I'm fine with that. hamsterjill Jun 2020 #21
I agree with the OP for the same reasons stated Nictuku Jun 2020 #25
I too wish that Senator Harris didn't laugh as much. Blue_true Jun 2020 #51
I hope he does. She's disciplined and won't be prone to... Kahuna Jun 2020 #26
+1 2naSalit Jun 2020 #29
She is not a Pol. maxsolomon Jun 2020 #32
And that's not the VP's job... 2naSalit Jun 2020 #40
Who cares? Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #43
Demings past as a police chief might be problematic Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #44
So many Police Chiefs are brought TO reform maxsolomon Jun 2020 #45
That's true Trumpocalypse Jun 2020 #46
Hope so RelativelyJones Jun 2020 #34
She has a lower profile than Harris. Sneederbunk Jun 2020 #35
I would be pleased. Corgigal Jun 2020 #36
I'm still Kamala's ride or die, but I'd be fine with any of the possible... SKKY Jun 2020 #47
She has zero political experience. BluesRunTheGame Jun 2020 #48
I see her as Secretary of State instead of VP since she has never been an elected politician wishstar Jun 2020 #54
No he won't. It will just allow the Pugs to attack because of Benghazi...it is unfair of course. Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #55
We're also hoping for the person who can take over in four or eight years mahina Jun 2020 #56

Happy Hoosier

(7,308 posts)
4. I'd say she misses a few boxes, personally.
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:14 PM
Jun 2020

She is certainly qualified from the point of view of executing policy. I'm less convinced on her political skills, and I think Joe needs some who can deliver a great speech and work the Hill. Not convinced Rice can do that, personally.

Bayard

(22,075 posts)
12. Agreed
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:23 PM
Jun 2020

I see her as a fairly low-key individual. Non-political, and not making fiery speeches. Still a very admirable woman.

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
7. I'd be fine with that.
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:16 PM
Jun 2020

She’s definitely one of the most qualified and she’s ready, a big plus! He could do a lot worse than her and this might be his most important decision of the campaign.

RockRaven

(14,972 posts)
9. There was a post here on DU about her son being a proTrump proBooferBrett RWNJ
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:19 PM
Jun 2020

If that is true, I think adding another problematic adult child to the ticket would not be a good idea. Priority one is winning the race, everything else is secondary. It's not fair to her, but neither is anything else about life or politics.

She'd be a great SecState though.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
10. I agree, she would also be a very good choice for Secretary of State.
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:23 PM
Jun 2020

I think it's fair to say she will get a top position.

blm

(113,063 posts)
11. RW media would make campaign ALL about her son's rejection of Democratic policies
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:23 PM
Jun 2020

and his support for Trump.

That is a certainty.

Sad, because I think she would be a great choice.

in2herbs

(2,945 posts)
14. Agree Rice should be in the Administration but not as VP. Just as her history as Prosecutor tanked
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:29 PM
Jun 2020

Klobuchar's chances at VP, I think Rice's son should sink her chances as VP. If anything happened to Biden she'd be Pres. -- with a RWNJ son getting media attention. SoS is one position she'd excel in, IMO.

2naSalit

(86,643 posts)
18. Her son is an adult making his own choices,
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:33 PM
Jun 2020

why would that be a detractor for her? Klobuchar's issue is based on her own actions, someone' son is quite another thing. If that's what bothers you about a potential VP selection, I don't know what to tell you.

in2herbs

(2,945 posts)
24. You misunderstand. Dems don't control the media and there's enough for the Biden
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:40 PM
Jun 2020

administration to deal with. We don't have to feed the RW media's talking points. There are plenty of other qualified candidates with less baggage. The right choice is critical as I see the next VP as being in a VP and Presidential position for 12 years. I don't see Rice with that kind of charisma.

blm

(113,063 posts)
31. It's not my view of her or him, it's the narrative the media will run with.
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:58 PM
Jun 2020

Her son will get far more attention for his disagreements with his mother and with Democratic policies.

2naSalit

(86,643 posts)
33. I don't think that's going to matter this time...
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 01:01 PM
Jun 2020

People have become wary of the lies and the media biases and I suspect that teevee will have a lesser affect in that way. These are extraordinary times so I don't expect any of the normal bs to get in the way this time.

PatSeg

(47,482 posts)
42. I agree
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 01:43 PM
Jun 2020

I'm afraid it would cause a lot of unnecessary distraction. I can see Rice in a prominent position in the administration, such as Secretary of State, but not as Joe's VP. Also I think he needs someone with better political skills for VP.

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
37. I agree with you. The concern about her son is bullshit.
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 01:31 PM
Jun 2020

I have more concern that they will "Benghazi" her to death.

blm

(113,063 posts)
38. WE know it's bullshit, but that is prime fertilizer for RW media to form
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 01:36 PM
Jun 2020

a narrative that will be adopted by the lazy mainstream media.

Every issue and statement will be run through the prism of that young man’s political views.

2naSalit

(86,643 posts)
39. The son thing is a red herring...
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 01:36 PM
Jun 2020

And Beghazi should leave bitter taste in their mouths, perhaps they'll not bring it up.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
27. She has a plan for that
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:46 PM
Jun 2020

(Hello, fellow EW stalwart!)

The son question comes up at the 2:50 mark in this interview on The View last fall; she really knocks it out of the park:

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
41. Or 8 years
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 01:41 PM
Jun 2020

If Biden goes for 2 terms. Plus being VP doesn’t ensure the person will be elected President. Has only happened a few times in history.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
50. He has already said that he will see how the first term is going
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 03:57 PM
Jun 2020

before making a decision about a second term. I believe that is wise given his age. I like the idea that he is saying, "people, I am willing to wipe myself out in the first term solving the big list of current problems, but I owe it to you to chose a person as my second who can step into the job of President at a moment's notice". To bad we lost that when President Obama left.

Gothmog

(145,291 posts)
15. I also like Ambassador Rice
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:30 PM
Jun 2020

Senator Harris is my favorite but I would be very happy with Ambassador Rice. trump has destroyed the US standing in the world and repairing these relationships could be assisted by Ambassador Rice

2naSalit

(86,643 posts)
16. I have been hoping she'd be the one for a long time now...
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:31 PM
Jun 2020

She does have advanced experience with all the wolrd leaders and is quite familiar with the WH workings which have to be rebuilt immediately. She would be the best choice on all counts.

And I don't give a fuck about the pearl clutching campaign worries, they don't really matter in this election. This isn't a beauty contest, it's a matter of who will be able to pick up the pieces in a forward leaning fashion. She has great progressive ideas while following the parameters of her position. I admire her wealth of knowledge and calm demeanor in crisis. She was a primary diplomat and well versed in what needs to be done in these times, I'll take that over a politician whose voter retention is based on how they perform on the stump.

As for the others already in office, that's where we need them. Those not in office, should be appointed to posts where they will excel.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
20. If the ticket doesn't win the election
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:34 PM
Jun 2020

every other consideration is irrelevant.

Winning needs to be the only priority.

2naSalit

(86,643 posts)
28. Thanks, I'd like to add...
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:49 PM
Jun 2020

That she sounds presidential when she speaks. If you've seen her in any interview lately it's obvious she has the speech and demeanor of a leader in high office. Last night she was on Rachel Maddow and her responses to questions were of an order higher than what would have come from a Senator. It's that obvious. I'll put my money on her being the pick for that. And she has a relationship with Biden similar to the one Obama has with Biden and they work well together. That is the other half of why she's the best choice.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
17. Experience doesn't matter in elections
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:32 PM
Jun 2020

Never has.

The boxes a VP candidate needs to check is who helps best to win the election. Because if they don’t win, everything else is irrelevant.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
21. I agree and I'm fine with that.
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:36 PM
Jun 2020

Leave the Senate seats in place. Rice will do a great job and has the experience to hit the ground running.

Nictuku

(3,614 posts)
25. I agree with the OP for the same reasons stated
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:41 PM
Jun 2020

Where Susan might be weak is in campaigning speeches. I think Kamala Harris has a more TV friendly persona. But to me, some if it seems kind of fake with Kamala (she laughs a lot in interviews and speeches, where I'm not seeing why she is laughing), but Kamala does seem more friendly.

The thing is, with Covid 19, there isn't actually a lot of campaign events going on. So this might make every TV appearance even more important.

But given current events, I don't think a good TV persona is necessarily what we need for the HUGE tasks ahead of us.

Not only are we facing incredible times with C19, Civil Unrest (justified), the economic disaster that looms (the dollar could lose value and then we are all even more fucked) but then we have threats from China, Russia, (cyber threats never stop) but there is so much damage done by the Trump administration that needs to get undone asap (Climate Treaty, NATO and other alliances) These will be Susan Rice's strengths. She can hit the ground running.

She knows from experience how our institutions are supposed to work, how they worked before (so they can be set right), what true diplomacy is. I just have nothing but respect for her achievements and her sensibilities.

Kamala Harris has many of her own strengths, but I feel they are more on the domestic side than international.

Truth is, I would be happy with either one. I can 'see' Kamala as eventual president more so than Susan. But I think our country needs leaders with the kind of experience that Susan Rice has as former Ambassador to the UN and former National Security Advisor.

If we lose Kamala in the Senate, I have no fear that she will not be replaced by a Democrat, so that is not so much a worry.

Kamala would make a fantastic Attorney General. Susan Rice would make a great Secretary of State.

I won't be unhappy with either one, but overall I still lean towards Susan Rice as VP, for what this country will need on Day 1 to get this ship of state back on course.

I hope he announces soon, but by holding off it does hold off the attacks on them we know are coming (Please, no more useless Bengazi investigations that show no malfeasance)

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
51. I too wish that Senator Harris didn't laugh as much.
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 04:03 PM
Jun 2020

I believe that is one feature of her presentation that camoaign image makers should work with her on. She certainly has the intellectual weight needed to be President.

Kahuna

(27,311 posts)
26. I hope he does. She's disciplined and won't be prone to...
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:44 PM
Jun 2020

go off the reservation. She'd campaign for him, not herself.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
32. She is not a Pol.
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 01:01 PM
Jun 2020

She might be the right person for the job, but I'm not convinced she's the right person for the campaign.

Val Demings is a Pol, she has to hustle every 2 years to keep that seat. She has to argue in the House with crazy motherfuckers in the Tea Party coalition.

2naSalit

(86,643 posts)
40. And that's not the VP's job...
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 01:38 PM
Jun 2020

Amb. Rice has far more international experience and I don't think Rep. Demmings has the background to be president on a moment's notice.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
44. Demings past as a police chief might be problematic
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 01:47 PM
Jun 2020

especially if she resisted reform. However, I am not familiar enough with her record to say that it definitely will or not.

But she is from Florida so she may help put a key swing state in play.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
45. So many Police Chiefs are brought TO reform
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 01:55 PM
Jun 2020

And are thwarted by their Cities or the Police Unions.

Every Dem still on the table is going to have drawbacks. Harris was City Prosecutor and State AG, Val Demings was a Police Chief, Rice participated in the Drone Strikes, Warren is a Soshylst Marksyst Comnyst, etc.

Dems are going to have to swallow hard and just fucking vote.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
46. That's true
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 02:00 PM
Jun 2020

They all have pluses and minuses. The trick to weigh them and determine who puts the ticket in the best position to win.

SKKY

(11,810 posts)
47. I'm still Kamala's ride or die, but I'd be fine with any of the possible...
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 02:05 PM
Jun 2020

...candidates that have been mentioned in the press.

BluesRunTheGame

(1,615 posts)
48. She has zero political experience.
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 03:04 PM
Jun 2020

She’s never won an election.

If you watch her recent TV interviews she seems tough and competent but not particularly relatable. She doesn’t “connect” as well as Warren or Harris who’ve both spent the last several months in front of the American People in a variety of contexts.

Biden was chair of the Foreign Relations Committee. He doesn’t need someone with that type of experience for the campaign or for governing.

I’d argue that Elizabeth Warren has a much better resume. She’s been extremely successful as a teacher, scholar, and attorney and was chosen to design a new government agency in the wake of the recent financial collapse. She literally wrote the book on middle class debt. She has run for and won a seat in the US Senate. She’s become an important public figure. Everyone knows who she is. She brings very little baggage to the campaign.

Her selection would excite progressives. African Americans have a good opinion of her. And Biden would benefit from her experience and expertise.

wishstar

(5,270 posts)
54. I see her as Secretary of State instead of VP since she has never been an elected politician
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 04:55 PM
Jun 2020

Kamala Harris is more likely to be the VP.

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
55. No he won't. It will just allow the Pugs to attack because of Benghazi...it is unfair of course.
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 04:58 PM
Jun 2020

But...not happening.

mahina

(17,663 posts)
56. We're also hoping for the person who can take over in four or eight years
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 05:04 PM
Jun 2020

Whenever Joe decides.

Let’s think about that future with a recovered population rebuilding our economy sustainably with justice for people of color and opportunity for everyone

God help us

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