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Quixote1818

(28,937 posts)
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 12:28 PM Jun 2020

NPR: U.S. Pediatricians Call For In-Person School This Fall

June 29, 202012:33 PM ET
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ANYA KAMENETZ

The nation's pediatricians have come out with a strong statement in favor of bringing children back to the classroom this fall wherever and whenever they can do so safely. The American Academy of Pediatrics' guidance "strongly advocates that all policy considerations for the coming school year should start with a goal of having students physically present in school."

The guidance says "schools are fundamental to child and adolescent development and well-being."

The AAP cites "mounting evidence" that transmission of the coronavirus by young children is uncommon, partly because they are less likely to contract it in the first place.

On the other hand, the AAP argues that based on the nation's experience this spring, remote learning is likely to result in severe learning loss and increased social isolation. Social isolation, in turn, can breed serious social, emotional and health issues: "child and adolescent physical or sexual abuse, substance use, depression, and suicidal ideation." Furthermore, these impacts will be visited more severely on Black and brown children, as well as low-income children and those with learning disabilities.

More: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/29/884638999/u-s-pediatricians-call-for-in-person-school-this-fall

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NPR: U.S. Pediatricians Call For In-Person School This Fall (Original Post) Quixote1818 Jun 2020 OP
My granddaughter needs real school Freddie Jun 2020 #1
Meanwhile how many states have cases on the rise? SlogginThroughIt Jun 2020 #2
36 Is The Answer ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #8
+1, and no stopping in sight. It looks like the Ro lowers with mask after critical mask "explosion" uponit7771 Jul 2020 #22
Idiots! LiberalFighter Jun 2020 #3
I'm a former special needs teacher DesertRat Jun 2020 #4
Our Daughter starts Kindergarten this year and we're not sure what to do. HotTeaBag Jun 2020 #5
I would skip kindergarten. Hell I moved in kindergarten and the new school boston bean Jun 2020 #10
We're definitely discussing taking a wait and see approach. HotTeaBag Jun 2020 #11
Understood. Best to you and your family during these crazy times. boston bean Jun 2020 #12
And to you. HotTeaBag Jun 2020 #16
My soon to be 4th grader will be going to school assuming they are open. Ace Rothstein Jun 2020 #14
Agree fully... Dorian Gray Jun 2020 #15
School didn't work for France, S Korea, China etc etc ... not enough mask discipline and kids taking uponit7771 Jul 2020 #23
I wonder what the teachers associations have to say about this, its more than just kids in a room Baclava Jun 2020 #6
+2 appalachiablue Jul 2020 #18
+1, they don't want to throw themselves into the petri dish uponit7771 Jul 2020 #19
With the kids splitting days and many days with remote teaching, likely teachers who are Quixote1818 Jul 2020 #25
.... Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2020 #7
Put parent and grandparents at risk. I think this is stupid. boston bean Jun 2020 #9
+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2020 #30
Apparently here in a very affluent MN Suburb SlogginThroughIt Jun 2020 #13
+1, look what's happening to the college football teams ... they can't keep CV19 out of them (link) uponit7771 Jul 2020 #21
SO is a HS math teacher mcar Jun 2020 #17
Like it did in S Korea, France and China ... it didn't, they shut down schools after 2 weeks and uponit7771 Jul 2020 #20
What most districts are doing is half the school there Monday and Tuesday. Wednesday for cleaning Quixote1818 Jul 2020 #24
I like that concept mcar Jul 2020 #26
I'm hoping this is how schools go. Music Man Jul 2020 #28
Yes, it's a hybrid solution very similar to what most universities will be using obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #29
No shit Sherlocks. We wants our kids in school if its safe. aikoaiko Jul 2020 #27

Freddie

(9,266 posts)
1. My granddaughter needs real school
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 01:17 PM
Jun 2020

She’s 10 and has ADHD. She does well in a classroom (with medication) and gets pretty good grades. Distance Learning was a disaster. Getting her to do work independently was like pulling teeth sideways. She needs the structure and routine of school.
Our district is looking at how to re-open safely. We’re in the Philly burbs and take the disease pretty seriously here.

 

SlogginThroughIt

(1,977 posts)
2. Meanwhile how many states have cases on the rise?
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 01:52 PM
Jun 2020

Unless shit turns around in a hurry it ain’t gonna happen%

ProfessorGAC

(65,044 posts)
8. 36 Is The Answer
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 08:00 PM
Jun 2020

12 flat, 2 falling.
The definitions of rise & flat are a little squishy.
4 or 5 states seeing positivity increase of 10%, means going, for instance, 2.5 to 2.75.
Given some states have gone from 8 to 15, lumping states still under 3 with states in double digits seems dubious.
But, that still means 31 or 32 are rising.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
22. +1, and no stopping in sight. It looks like the Ro lowers with mask after critical mask "explosion"
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 02:33 AM
Jul 2020

... happens but the quickest way to crush a curve (NY and S Korea) are hard lock downs.

That's not going to happen in Texas or Florida meaning I doubt mask discipline will be high enough to stop spread after an Arizona like explosion happens

LiberalFighter

(50,931 posts)
3. Idiots!
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 01:56 PM
Jun 2020

Sure it would be great if they were in school. But saying it is uncommon for transmission of the virus by young children is uncommon is also a stupid statement. Young children are not the only ones in the schools. No consideration is given for the adults that do the teaching or the other workers.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
4. I'm a former special needs teacher
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 01:59 PM
Jun 2020

I have no idea how one would effectively teach children with special needs over Zoom. But I'm also concerned about teachers’ and staff members’ health. There's no easy answer.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
5. Our Daughter starts Kindergarten this year and we're not sure what to do.
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 02:01 PM
Jun 2020

We're in North Jersey and the school system has put out a plan for bringing students back, but it essentially strips all of the socialization bits out of attending - kids have to be six feet apart, eat at different times, no playing with one another, masks required - basically everything that makes being there worth being there for her.

It all makes perfect sense from a 'we're in the middle of a pandemic' perspective, but sending her even under the guidelines only partially mitigates the risk of her picking it up and spreading it to others and leaves her without the very things she would benefit from.


boston bean

(36,221 posts)
10. I would skip kindergarten. Hell I moved in kindergarten and the new school
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 08:03 PM
Jun 2020

Wouldn’t take me. Had to start a year later. No biggie.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
11. We're definitely discussing taking a wait and see approach.
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 09:08 PM
Jun 2020

A lot will depend on the virus, but just as important is where we are financially in September.

Appreciate your input.

Ace Rothstein

(3,163 posts)
14. My soon to be 4th grader will be going to school assuming they are open.
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 09:34 PM
Jun 2020

E-Learning was trash for the younger kids. It wasn't as bad for my step son who will be starting high school.

Dorian Gray

(13,496 posts)
15. Agree fully...
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 09:45 PM
Jun 2020

Also have a kid entering fourth grade next year. Third grade distance learning was horrible. Teachers did a great job trying to make it worthwhile. But no motivation, depression, and zoom fatigue kicked in shortly after we started it all.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
23. School didn't work for France, S Korea, China etc etc ... not enough mask discipline and kids taking
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 02:36 AM
Jul 2020

... it home to parents.

The started shutting schools down in weeks and their curves were nearly crushed.

College champion Clemson football team has 30 players with CV19 and mandatory 2 a days haven't started yet.

There are too many risk, please be careful

Quixote1818

(28,937 posts)
25. With the kids splitting days and many days with remote teaching, likely teachers who are
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 03:08 AM
Jul 2020

high risk will be able to stay home. Most districts will have M, T, half the kids. Wednesday cleaning then on T, F the other half of the school will be there. On days they are not at the school they will be learning remotely.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
9. Put parent and grandparents at risk. I think this is stupid.
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 08:02 PM
Jun 2020

There is more to concern oneself with at this time. It’s not just the kids a decision like this will effect.

I know it would be better if in school. But people’s physical health is at risk. And doing this put more people at risk for death.

 

SlogginThroughIt

(1,977 posts)
13. Apparently here in a very affluent MN Suburb
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 09:30 PM
Jun 2020

Apparently here in a very affluent MN Suburb there has been quite a breakout with the high school aged kids. This is stupid.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
21. +1, look what's happening to the college football teams ... they can't keep CV19 out of them (link)
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 02:23 AM
Jul 2020
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2020/06/22/college-football-programs-hit-covid-after-resumption-voluntary-workouts

Louisiana State University, the defending national champion, confirmed that at least 30 players are in quarantine because they tested positive for COVID-19 or were found to have contact with individuals who tested positive, according to WAFB Channel 9, a CBS affiliate. Some players were quarantined after visiting LSU-area bars, which have been linked to an outbreak of COVID cases.


these are involantary workout periods too

mcar

(42,333 posts)
17. SO is a HS math teacher
Tue Jun 30, 2020, 10:39 PM
Jun 2020

This is such a difficult issue.

The school district is offering a virtual component and teachers are considering which option to take - though about 75% of the parents have said they want their kids to go back to school.

Here's the reality: to follow CDC guidelines, this district would have to hire many more teachers (in the midst of a huge teacher shortage), add classrooms (there are none), buy 200 more buses (severe bus driver shortage), etc, etc.

We have no idea how it's going to work out.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
20. Like it did in S Korea, France and China ... it didn't, they shut down schools after 2 weeks and
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 02:23 AM
Jul 2020

... they crushed their curve.

We're headed towards 50,000

Quixote1818

(28,937 posts)
24. What most districts are doing is half the school there Monday and Tuesday. Wednesday for cleaning
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 03:04 AM
Jul 2020

then on Thursday and Friday the other half of the school will be there. The other days the kids will be learning remotely.

Music Man

(1,184 posts)
28. I'm hoping this is how schools go.
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 10:05 AM
Jul 2020

Imagine trying to distance a band class with 50-60 kids in it. Shifts are the only way to properly distance, do health checks, etc. I'm hoping schools can at least start out with hybrid models to see how things go first before jumping in with wishful thinking. I'm afraid our eagerness to get kids back will lead to impetuous decisions. If things are going well, we can transition to full classes. If things aren't, we can transition to an on-line setting.

I am sympathetic to the childcare and teaching needs of parents with very young kids. It may be that the model for elementary schools looks very different from middle and high schools.

For years we have talked about changing the model of education. Perhaps now is a time to experiment with engaging kids in different ways than the traditional 8:30-3:30, Monday-Friday, factory-like image of schools.

obamanut2012

(26,076 posts)
29. Yes, it's a hybrid solution very similar to what most universities will be using
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 10:06 AM
Jul 2020

I think it's the best we can do right now.

aikoaiko

(34,170 posts)
27. No shit Sherlocks. We wants our kids in school if its safe.
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 09:50 AM
Jul 2020

But what is really safe during a pandemic that appears to be surging as of now.

The actual press release by AAP lists the usual harm reduction methods, but is that safe?

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