70 people, no masks, no distancing, lots of drinking and laughing and dancing.

We did not attend.

Hoping like hell there aren't a bunch of very sick people in two weeks. Or worse.

SMH

doing the same thing. I think people just are so tired of being careful they are willing to take chances.

Between October 1929 and August 1945, this country was either in an economic depression or a global war. The vast majority of its citizens sacrificed their own comfort for the greater good. Gas, sugar, coffee, nylon stockings were rationed during WWII. We collected scrap metal for the manufacture of ammunition and war machinery. We grew Victory Gardens to feed our families so mass-produced foods could go to our soldiers, sailors, pilots and Marines. But now, three months wearing a mask to go grocery shopping is too much. Not being able to drink in a tavern with crowds of others for a short time is a bridge too far. Cutting one's own hair somehow equates to Stalinism ... or Nazism or some other nonsense. Talk about a country of wimps.

Trump is setting the current tone. Trump is the anti-FDR.

to hate and division, and some in our society are trying to stop the hate and division. tRump loves chaos and death.

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American culture has become drastically more materialistic. It was easy for the creators of want to cultivate this in our society when the great hypnotic cathode tube moved into nearly every home. Madison Avenue's reprogramming was complete.

Americans began to "need" more and more things, bigger and bigger homes, flashier, shinier. In the latter half of that period, technology was able to stoke demands for immediate gratification. Now, people have no patience, with each other, with their wants, with the natural flow of time and science. Community takes a back seat to individual selfishness.

That's what people like me mean when we doubt modern society has what it takes to weather a one-two punch like the Great Depression followed by World War II.

Trump and Treason. Pandemic. Mismanagement of pandemic blowing up every last delusion about class and work and healthcare. Economic collapse. Civil unrest on a massive scale.

Sometimes hubs and I sit and watch the news — I shake my head and say, “I never thought it could happen so fast, and he murmurs, “Weimar Republic.”

So that’s our cheery take on it. Perfect storm.

than it really is because of cable news coverage. There are plenty of places throughout the nation where any modest protests that take place are pretty innocuous. I also have doubts they will last through the end of summer because Americans are so easily distracted.

When you have to fill a wheelbarrow with cash in order to buy a loaf of bread, we'll be at Weimar levels.

And should have. It changed the mindset. No sense of community any more.

Capitalism has to be countered with a strong ethos, or mythos, about community and altruism or it devours itself.

We postponed our daughter's wedding until next October. Shes disappointed but really would be upset putting everyone at risk. People are just kind of dense and disappointing.

They had a beautiful intimate ceremony with only immediate family and they shared it on line in real time. It was lovely and, in its own way, very special.

Good luck.

You just can’t predict what family will do, and we’ve got a doozy in ours. Fingers crossed.

Unless the entire country shuts down again, people are absolutely blocked from going into stores, churches, schools, you name it, without being masked. And everyone observes social distancing.

But that shut down isn't going to happen. Yeah, some states are rolling back a bit about opening up, but what's probably going to happen is that cases/deaths will drop a little, they'll open up again, cases/deaths will spike, they'll shut a little bit down. At least into the fall. And then, if that potentially pandemic-causing flu virus gets out of China, we'll have something of a disease trifecta happening. Covid-19, influenza, and all the other things that are getting out of hand because of this.

Heat waves, hurricanes, tornadoes, wildfires, floods.

in this bed we've made for ourselves.

And all of us watching loved it, even me from 3000 miles away.

With so many unpatriotic and dishonorable people who insist on being facially naked in public places and may not even care about social distancing, what can we do?

To conflate their personal freedom with these absolute necessities is a false narrative and a statement from our lowest common denominators all things considered.

They are participating in a stubborn and relentless race to extreme illness, organ failure, brain damage and potentially lifelong disabilities and death and trying to drag everyone along with them.

That's what I call obscene, deplorable and ignorant.

If we don’t do any mitigation between now and November, we will be above 250,000 most likely.

so 250,000 is realistically, not out of the question.

Family gathering 8-10 ppl. I did not attend despite gentle pressure from family. This morning I receive call from 80+ yr old dad, he is sick, short of breath, fatigued. I had just read interviews w 15 epidemiologists as to their thoughts on when it would be "safe" to socialize again. Their thoughts are sobering. It's becoming more apparent this isn't over by a long shot, and I fear the coming economic crises come August.

Unfortunately, no one is listening.

Sometimes, not even our families. I have a spouse who still isn't convinced of how serious it is. I'm constantly discouraging her from socializing, running out just because she can, etc.

Good luck to your father.

Which in itself was strange because he lives in another part of the city.

He has comorbilities, I have none. I had on a mask and goggles. He had on nothing. I asked why he wasn't wearing a mask, he shrugged and said that it was in his vehicle.

Yeah, even family members don't take this thing seriously, even when their health says that they should.

was the one without mask.

Did you take the time to explain to him that you probably won't be able to visit him in the ICU?

ending up in the hospital, though Florida is running out of ICU beds, the governor still is saying mostly young people that can take sars-cov-2 are getting infected, his head is firmly shoved up his ass. I was coming out of a department store a couple of hours ago and saw a NURSE entering without a facemask, it is freaking insane, more than likely she has to wear one at work. I was in Best Buy earlier and maybe 95% of everyone and 100% of employees were wearing masks, that was good to see. I actually saw a young couple come up without masks, the guy refused to enter, even as the woman tried to get him to. I was talking to a sales rep when both came in with masks on, apparently the guy went back to their vehicle and got masks.

I was lulled for a minute into believing things had "cooled off". Now I remind myself every few days that nothing has changed. It terrifies me that Dr's are recommending schools open in the fall, airlines are going back to full capacity. Is someone crazy???

300K by Election Day.

300k by Nov. 3 seems pretty likely.

But even if they just hold steady at 600/day, that ould put us at ~205,000

It seems to be less fatal than it used to be, but as rapidly as cases are increasing I'm sure the daily deaths will rise.

I was looking at FL demographics yesterday.
The proportion of people under 30 was way higher recently than the overall US proportion.
Since those folks don't die at the same percentage, that might explain the declining death per cases rate.
It's only one state, so I'm broadly extrapolating.
Here in Illinois the death rate is down, but just modestly. Yesterday under 5%, day before 2%. Kind of bobbing up & down.
But positivity rate has averaged 2.7 the last 10 days.
So, less cases but deaths haven't fall by the same %.
I have not researched it, but I haven't read any substantial change in death demographics.
I guess we'll see in another 7-10 days.

should just get it and get it over with.

Here, though, I was just solely addressing the body count.

Damaged lungs, compromised immune system, ???

Secondary effects: Economy in free fall, loss of faith in government ???

Thanks Trump. You may not have burn down the world, but you've done a hellva number on our country.

Terrible after effects. It doesn't just disappear. It leaves people with horrible fatigue, heart damage, lung damage, liver damage.

You can't just go by the death count.

susceptible to getting severely ill from the common flu, bronchitis, pneumonia and other respiratory infections down the road, even if they aren't that old.

They may have made it through this round, but I have a feeling that they are setting themselves up for serious problems later in life. Especially as viruses mutate and become more virulent.

I read that even people who had no symptoms had internal damage.

You really don't want to get this stuff.

Their lungs were scarred, liked the symptomatic patients. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.09.20096370v1

Apparently it replicates in lung tissue better than any other organ. Nasty bugger. Scary stuff.

started to die off 5 years later.

What I am afraid of with SAR-COV-2 is that it puts a marker in people that it infects. Scientists believe that immunity lasts only 2-3 months, so sans a cure or a vaccine, SARS-COV-2 can technically reinfect a person and pick up from where it left off. Some of the earliest cases of people getting sick and surviving were in China, but that is not a good observation area because China locked down tight as a drum and still reacts vigorously to infection spikes, plus China is secretive. Whether previously sick people that survive the first infection from the virus get it again and die in places like Italy or Spain is worth watching.

It ravages the lungs and the immune system. I haven't really heard much about the long term effects, but I can't imagine that those who have caught the virus will be in a good position to hold up under future viral infections. It still does damage, even if it doesn't kill you. This is why I have not left my apartment in three months. I'm quite scared of how this will play out over time.

The people who have caugh the virus - even if they were asymptomatic and survived - are still very compromised already and at a disadvantage. I suppose we will see how this plays out in the fall when our regular flu season comes in on top of this. I'm not optimistic. This could be like 1918 all over again.

They talk about the old being more vulnerable and larger case load, yet the mean age for Covid in the US right now is 37!

we may already be at 250,000 dead

There has been a lot of media coverage

Here are some samples:

CDC Head Estimates U.S. Coronavirus Cases Might be 10 Times Higher Than Data Show
https://time.com/5859790/cdc-coronavirus-estimates/

Florida Scientist Says She Was Fired For Not Manipulating COVID-19 Data
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/29/884551391/florida-scientist-says-she-was-fired-for-not-manipulating-covid-19-data

Nebraska Governor Defends Decision To Hide COVID-19 Stats At Specific Meatpacking Plants
Rachel Maddow slammed Gov. Pete Ricketts for failing to reveal what’s going on at plants where COVID-19 cases are exploding.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rachel-maddow-pete-ricketts-nebraska-meatpacking-plants-coronavirus_n_5eb5ef86c5b69c4b317a69d1

Bad state data hides coronavirus threat as Trump pushes reopening
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/27/bad-state-coronavirus-data-trump-reopening-286143

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00920-w

"news agency Reuters reported that the White House had kept important COVID-19 meetings classified — even though that meant keeping information from experts who would normally be consulted — while the President trumpeted ‘all under control’, until reality forced a rapid about-face."

Some I already have in my bookmarks; others are new, to me.

If governors were suppressing deaths the MSM would be all over it. Not just political sites and CT blogs. I love a good CT as much as anyone but there has to be at least some meat to it or its no fun.

"It’s family gatherings,” said Newsom, “where people let down their guard.” The governor was most concerned about people taking off masks, giving family members hugs and kisses. “Then all of a sudden, you see a spread,” he said.

He is going to impose more restrictions tomorrow and explain how it will be enforced.
https://deadline.com/2020/06/california-coronavirus-governor-gavin-newsom-tougher-regulations-enforcement-1202974163/

we've opened up Bars, Gyms, Bowling Alleys, Restaurants and Churches.
So family gatherings aren't really the problem.
8,000 new cases yesterday, does not add up to family gatherings.

Close the Bars, Gyms, Bowling Alleys & Churches and watch the numbers drop.

We are all Covidiots for allowing this to happen.

After opening up too early he is going to have to roll back now. EVERYBODY but some small business owners and stupid young bar and beach goers who stopped wearing masks and protested and bitched got their wish...a reopening in May/June.

Now they get to have all those things shut down again, no more rent, no more unemployment, etc. I hope they are happy. They brought this on themselves but like before the responsible people who weren't selfish, assholes like them have to suffer too. The GOP and Orange and East County "my freedumb" morons just proved how truly stupid and selfish they are.

With beaches closed in LA and Orange County, all their idiots will be heading our way this coming weekend, not to mention the Zonies. I'm expecting a big jump in San Diego cases otherwise.

I'm not hopeful for the local government to step in, the rollback restrictions announced locally in the past day or two have been window dressing.

We already have a big jump.
We are averaging almost 340 new cases per day over the last 7 days.
We had dropped down to near 100 per day, when Memorial day happened and starting on June 1st, numbers started heading north again

It's horrific but it's happening, and with the idiots running around it seems most likely to come true. Just think, after that, cases and deaths continue to grow

Once we hit 100,000 with something like six months left to go to the election I figured at least 200 probably more 250

the numbers are rising rapidly and some states have not picked yet. Don’t forget the second wave by November and there are reports os swine flu come back.

If the .1% fatality rate / infection held, and there was no vaccine.

But that was over a couple years and about 5 waves.

I still think we'll get there, It's in the wild now, there's no vaccine, and it sure seems like about 30% of the US population is bound and determined to spread it as much as possible. I wonder if the GOP realizes that they haven't made America great, but made us look like a bunch of morons.

His followers don't either.

We are well and truly fucked.

Hmm?

Maybe elections do have consequences after all.

Good luck everyone.

600 deaths per day (and that's with the case-load soaring, so it would be amazing if it stays that low), 125 days to the election--that's 75,000 plus the current 130,000 (worldometers.com--that's also where I got the 600 daily deaths)

The rates of infection are going through the roof with no universal plan, it sucks being in a state that locked down early NY to just get a breather and look at the real possibility of it going up again from the carelessness of states that did not give a shit. I will not be shocked if it is 350 or 400k dead by Nov.

American travelers spent $67 billion in the European Union in 2019, according to U.S. government figures. That was up 46% from 2014.
https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2020-06-30/eu-set-to-publish-border-list-us-likely-to-miss-out-for-now

But Europe is willing to walk away from all that moolah to protect its citizens. Meanwhile, our President won't even wear a mask.

we need to realize that this virus is not going away until a vaccine comes along, so all the more reason for mask wearing and social distancing.

mortality to COVID levels. And that is assuming a better than average public health response, which we're not getting.

Not having sports to bet on, Covid could fill the gap.

watching the calendar once September hits trembling for when the weather turns to fall...and flu season arrives.

I am not sure about the election, maybe 750,000, but by the end of the flu season in 2021, I am putting it at least 2,000,000.

After the separation of families and babies placed in cages on the border, I knew there wasn't a red line for republicans. They are deplorable beyond belief and need to be held accountable for their criminal negligence, which has now morphed into negligent homicide.

If this continues unabated, we need to start thinking about 2nd degree homicide charges for every one of those evil motherf*ckers.