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marmar

(77,084 posts)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:09 AM Sep 2012

Milk's nutritional value debated as we consume more


from USA Today, via the Detroit Free Press:



Consider a glass of milk.

Familiar, safe, evoking childhood memories of dunking cookies or cafeteria lunches with school friends. Cool, refreshing and good for you.

Maybe. While some consider milk a nutritional powerhouse, others see it as unnecessary for good health and question the rationale behind some government-related programs that try to help the marketing of milk.

"When I was growing up, drinking milk at every meal, I had a chronic upset stomach," cookbook author Mark Bittman wrote in his New York Times blog in July. As a teenager, that worsened into chronic heartburn and acid reflux, which led to a dependence on medications and a series of attempts to relieve his esophagus with other remedies. ....................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.freep.com/article/20120918/FEATURES08/120918011/Milk-s-nutritional-value-debated-as-we-consume-more?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p



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Milk's nutritional value debated as we consume more (Original Post) marmar Sep 2012 OP
Depends tama Sep 2012 #1
What is the mechanism by which this upsets the stomach? MattBaggins Sep 2012 #2
It's complicated tama Sep 2012 #3
I'm sorry but satements like that are not common sense they are science related MattBaggins Sep 2012 #5
Coevolution tama Sep 2012 #6
If he was drinking "milk" with Carrageenan, he could have acid reflux and an upset stomach. PADemD Sep 2012 #4
A fair number of people are lactose intolerant SheilaT Sep 2012 #7
 

tama

(9,137 posts)
1. Depends
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:25 AM
Sep 2012

on what you mean by milk. What you get from tit or the homogenized milk-like product you buy from supermarket.

"Homogenization breaks the fat into smaller sizes so it no longer separates, allowing the sale of non-separating milk at any fat specification." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homogenization_%28chemistry%29

This denaturalized industrial product is the cause of of chronic upset stomach, not milk.

MattBaggins

(7,904 posts)
2. What is the mechanism by which this upsets the stomach?
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:29 AM
Sep 2012

My cousin grew upon a farm with raw milk and couldn't drink the stuff and all that shows is that anecdotal evidence is pure bunk.

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
3. It's complicated
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:37 AM
Sep 2012

and I'm no expert. Here's what quick search brought up:

"Some researchers believe that these protein-heavy fat globules can potentially increase homogenized milk's ability to cause allergic reactions. Numerous studies confirm this, at least with rodents as test subjects. Other known effects on milk quality include increased viscosity (the milk is thickened in consistency) whiter appearance, lowered heat stability, increased sensitivity to light-triggered oxidation and less pronounced milk flavor."
http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/homogenization_T3.html

For me it's more of a common sense issue, our digestive systems and bacteria populations that are parts of us have evolved and adapted to natural milk, not to the homogenized product. There's been lots of talk about this issue where I live, and just few weeks ago I found out that also unhomogenized milk is now industrially produced and sold in supermarkets.

MattBaggins

(7,904 posts)
5. I'm sorry but satements like that are not common sense they are science related
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 05:26 PM
Sep 2012

unless our ancient ancestors were suckling on the teats of cows we would not have evolved to drink it.

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
6. Coevolution
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 07:18 PM
Sep 2012

is both science and common sense. And we've been living in coevolution with cows quite a long time. Not to mention from unhomogenized milk from mama's teatt.

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
4. If he was drinking "milk" with Carrageenan, he could have acid reflux and an upset stomach.
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 12:55 PM
Sep 2012

Since I eliminated Carrageenan from my diet, I no longer have acid reflux.

"Carrageenan is a commonly used food additive that is
extracted from red seaweed by using powerful alkali
solvents. These solvents would remove the tissues
and skin from your hands as readily as would any acid.

"Carrageenan is a thickening agent. It's the vegetarian
equivalent of casein, the same protein that is isolated
from milk and used to thicken foods. Casein is also
used to produce paints, and is the glue used to hold
a label to a bottle of beer. Carrageenan is the magic
ingredient used to de-ice frozen airplanes sitting on
tarmacs during winter storms."

http://www.notmilk.com/carageenan.html

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
7. A fair number of people are lactose intolerant
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:31 AM
Sep 2012

and have unpleasant symptoms if they try to drink milk. Those people should not drink milk.

Others do just fine drinking it.

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