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Sorry, Philly Inquirer reported and then retracted Supreme (Original Post) sufrommich Sep 2012 OP
They're gonna appeal though, right? tjdee Sep 2012 #1
If PA Supreme Court overturns it Panasonic Sep 2012 #4
Thx for this info :) nt tjdee Sep 2012 #7
bush v. gore had major problems, but i don't think you can say the ussc couldn't have ruled at all. unblock Sep 2012 #16
There should be no place to go BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #8
Not seeing anything yet BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #2
Well, the attempted suppression failed Panasonic Sep 2012 #3
If so, the next challenge is to make sure voters are not intimidated or turned away djean111 Sep 2012 #5
Whose twitter? Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #6
I added the link. nt sufrommich Sep 2012 #9
Maybe I'm reading it wrong timber84 Sep 2012 #10
Not overturned, but sent back to lower court for review. Jennicut Sep 2012 #11
I know, Ijust added it, thanks. sufrommich Sep 2012 #12
Run out the clock? Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #14
oh. barbtries Sep 2012 #15
excellent! barbtries Sep 2012 #13
they can still do all the old reliables--not put enough voting machines in Dem neighborhoods, librechik Sep 2012 #17
Am trying to translate what this means BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #18
My husband just scanned the court's decision. PA Democrat Sep 2012 #19
there's more again corkhead Sep 2012 #20
Here is part of the court's decision. It's not good news: PA Democrat Sep 2012 #21

tjdee

(18,048 posts)
1. They're gonna appeal though, right?
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 01:39 PM
Sep 2012

That's right Republicans, bring it all the way to the Supreme Court.

That'll be a great reminder to people why they should vote for President.

Thx!

 

Panasonic

(2,921 posts)
4. If PA Supreme Court overturns it
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 01:41 PM
Sep 2012

based on state law, it's done.

Can't appeal directly to USSC, have to start from the scratch.

Remember Florida? Everything was followed according to Florida law, and FSC had it right the first time, but was overturned illegally by the U.S. Supreme Court.

unblock

(52,253 posts)
16. bush v. gore had major problems, but i don't think you can say the ussc couldn't have ruled at all.
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 01:47 PM
Sep 2012

they found a federal rationale to overturn the florida supreme court.

one of several things that was preposterous was that they said the recount violated equal treatment (due to inconsistent recount rules from county to county), and used this as a basis to uphold an election that itself violated equal treatment (due to inconsistent counting rules from county to county).

but i don't think you can say that the supreme court has no basis at all for hearing and ruling on voting rights cases, or on election and voting laws.

 

Panasonic

(2,921 posts)
3. Well, the attempted suppression failed
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 01:39 PM
Sep 2012

How many attempts is that?

So PA is now Obama country, and the focus of downtickets should be significant enough to remove any Republicans from Congress.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
5. If so, the next challenge is to make sure voters are not intimidated or turned away
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 01:41 PM
Sep 2012

at the polls - and then, to try somehow to ensure all the votes are counted.
I understand there are discrepancies between electronic counts and hand counts in Wisconsin.
Living in Florida, I fully expect the very worst from the GOP when it comes to tossing Dem votes in any way they can.

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
13. excellent!
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 01:46 PM
Sep 2012

hopefully even if an appeal is planned it's too late for 2012, so the election is somewhat more secure?

librechik

(30,674 posts)
17. they can still do all the old reliables--not put enough voting machines in Dem neighborhoods,
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 01:48 PM
Sep 2012

etc. They have a vast playbook of opportunities, once you let the Repubs count the votes. In way too many states, the Exec in charge of voting and certifying votes are Repub operatives. It's completely legal, apparently, and they have BROAD discretion. The Pennsylvania guy lost this battle, but he is not done. And they do things that are illegal, too, counting on protests to get hung up in red tape, like in Wisconsin, where thousands of votes were found in opened dufflebags in vacant lots. They dare us to arrest them, knowing we can't.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
18. Am trying to translate what this means
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 01:54 PM
Sep 2012

The Commonwealth court refused to grant an injunction pending the constitutionality case and allowed the law to continue. The State SC vacTed the lower court decision and am wondering if this means an injunction is in place pending review at the lower cort? Not clear yet where it goes since there is an appeals court that exists that this appeal bypassed.

PA Democrat

(13,225 posts)
19. My husband just scanned the court's decision.
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 02:00 PM
Sep 2012

There was no injunction issued. The case was remanded back to the lower court to assess whether the state could issue the voter ID required by law in time to ensure access to voters. The lower court must issue its deciaion by Oct. 2.

Two of the more liberal justices, Todd and McCaffery dissented. This is not good news.

PA Democrat

(13,225 posts)
21. Here is part of the court's decision. It's not good news:
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 02:06 PM
Sep 2012

<snip>

Overall, we are confronted with an ambitious effort on the part of the General
Assembly to bring the new identification procedure into effect within a relatively short
timeframe and an implementation process which has by no means been seamless in
light of the serious operational constraints faced by the executive branch. Given this
state of affairs, we are not satisfied with a mere predictive judgment based primarily on
the assurances of government officials, even though we have no doubt they are
proceeding in good faith.

Thus, we will return the matter to the Commonwealth Court to make a present
assessment of the actual availability of the alternate identification cards on a developed
record in light of the experience since the time the cards became available. In this
regard, the court is to consider whether the procedures being used for deployment of
the cards comport with the requirement of liberal access which the General Assembly
attached to the issuance of PennDOT identification cards. If they do not, or if the

Commonwealth Court is not still convinced in its predictive judgment that there will be
no voter disenfranchisement arising out of the Commonwealth’s implementation of a
voter identification requirement for purposes of the upcoming election, that court is
obliged to enter a preliminary injunction.
Accordingly, the order of the Commonwealth Court is VACATED, and the matter
is returned to the Commonwealth Court for further proceedings consistent with this
Order. The Commonwealth Court is to file its supplemental opinion on or before
October 2, 2012. Any further appeals will be administered on an expedited basis.
Jurisdiction is relinquished.

Madame Justice Todd files a Dissenting Statement which Mr. Justice McCaffery
joins.

Mr. Justice McCaffery files a Dissenting Statement which Madame Justice Todd
joins.

http://www.pacourts.us/OpPosting/Supreme/out/J-114-2012pco.pdf

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