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xiamiam

(4,906 posts)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 02:06 PM Sep 2012

Obama wins right to indefinitely detain Americans under NDAA

A lone appeals judge bowed down to the Obama administration late Monday and reauthorized the White House’s ability to indefinitely detain American citizens without charge or due process.

Last week, a federal judge ruled that an temporary injunction on section 1021 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 must be made permanent, essentially barring the White House from ever enforcing a clause in the NDAA that can let them put any US citizen behind bars indefinitely over mere allegations of terrorist associations. On Monday, the US Justice Department asked for an emergency stay on that order, and hours later US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit Judge Raymond Lohier agreed to intervene and place a hold on the injunction.

The stay will remain in effect until at least September 28, when a three-judge appeals court panel is expected to begin addressing the issue.

On December 31, 2011, US President Barack Obama signed the NDAA into law, even though he insisted on accompanying that authorization with a statement explaining his hesitance to essentially eliminate habeas corpus for the American people.

http://rt.com/usa/news/obama-lohier-ndaa-stay-414/

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Obama wins right to indefinitely detain Americans under NDAA (Original Post) xiamiam Sep 2012 OP
What a victory for "our side." OnyxCollie Sep 2012 #1
This should be the law titled "Don't ask, Don't Tell" 1-Old-Man Sep 2012 #2
I hope it will finally sink in to some around here what Obama's signature of NDAA actually means. leveymg Sep 2012 #3
another paragraph from the article xiamiam Sep 2012 #4
K&R Puregonzo1188 Sep 2012 #5
. tk2kewl Sep 2012 #6
They get everyone ginned up.... AnneD Sep 2012 #7
on the day of obamas speech at the convention..the pentagon approved the sale of drones xiamiam Sep 2012 #9
n/t MrDiaz Sep 2012 #12
I don't even read headline stories..... AnneD Sep 2012 #14
k/r Solly Mack Sep 2012 #8
He "bowed?" treestar Sep 2012 #10
My bad, I thought she ruled the opposite way. Not sure how I misread that. kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #11
Anybody that even considered this dogday Sep 2012 #13

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
3. I hope it will finally sink in to some around here what Obama's signature of NDAA actually means.
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 02:11 PM
Sep 2012

He wants that power, and will use it when and if we get into the next two wars. The signing statement is irrelevant to what he or another President decides to do later.

xiamiam

(4,906 posts)
4. another paragraph from the article
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 02:12 PM
Sep 2012

"Within only hours of Afran’s statement being made public, demonstrators in New York City waged a day of protests in order to commemorate the one-year anniversary of the Occupy Wall Street movement. Although it is not believed that the NDAA was used to justify any arrests, more than 180 political protesters were detained by the NYPD over the course of the day’s actions. One week earlier, the results of a Freedom of Information Act request filed by the American Civil Liberties Union confirmed that the FBI has been monitoring Occupy protests in at least one instance, but the bureau would not give further details, citing that decision is "in the interest of national defense or foreign policy."

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
7. They get everyone ginned up....
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 02:22 PM
Sep 2012

over the Romney tapes and slip this through throught the back door. SHAME SHAME SHAME

Obama may promise not to use it, but that is not to say that we one day may have another Nixon type president that does away with Habeas corpus. This is wrong.

xiamiam

(4,906 posts)
9. on the day of obamas speech at the convention..the pentagon approved the sale of drones
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 02:31 PM
Sep 2012

to 60 countries..distraction is a ploy..pay attention to Mitts taxes but dont watch while all of the more serious shenanigans go on

 

MrDiaz

(731 posts)
12. n/t
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 03:05 PM
Sep 2012

I have posted this hoping to get some serious conversation about this but no one here seems to give a damn.

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
14. I don't even read headline stories.....
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 05:24 PM
Sep 2012

I get the synopsis. What I pay attention to are the gems like this. Got use to doing this on the Friday Bush White House News dump! I am ashamed to see Obama repeating the tradition.

I don't want the crumbs from the table, I want a seat at the table.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
10. He "bowed?"
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 02:35 PM
Sep 2012

Did he not issue an opinion?

This looks like a complete legal thicket. Where's the opinion so we can work out just exactly where the case stands? Asking for a stay on appeal to the Second Circuit is routine - so it appears the Second Circuit will hear the issue now.

dogday

(24,008 posts)
13. Anybody that even considered this
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 03:09 PM
Sep 2012

is fucked up. No habeas corpus? I know the judge voted to deny, but why this was even considered is beyond me.

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