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it doesn't matter what usage you are using it for. It is a sexist, hate filled slur used to smear women, compare unfavorable things to a woman. It is also against TOS.
I think it is rather telling that people will use that word, while decrying racism. Using misogyny to condemn racism tells me you are OK with some slurs, even if you call yourself a "feminist,"
denem
(11,045 posts)'Bitch' female adjective; 'Asshole' male adjective.
mercuryblues
(14,543 posts)but when using the term B on a male, it is comparing him unfavorably to a woman. IOW they are saying the male has female character traits and women are bad, so they are as bad as a women who acts that way.
denem
(11,045 posts)That is what I am saying. EOM.
mercuryblues
(14,543 posts)No bigotry/insensitivity
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denem
(11,045 posts)Post a question on the Admin forum if you want to.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)Sexism wasnt even called out in the TOS for a very long time.
denem
(11,045 posts)The TOS may have changed since then. If you want to email them, and ask whether the word bitch, without further context, offends the TOS, do - by all means. The fact it is ubiquitous, suggests not, but I am a nobody.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)And yes, the TOS has changed since there was.
What the admins would say now is "you take your chances" with a jury.
irisblue
(33,035 posts)Are you asking for a hide?
mercuryblues
(14,543 posts)do what you see fit.
irisblue
(33,035 posts)mercuryblues
(14,543 posts)Bless your heart
irisblue
(33,035 posts)Thank you for the blessing.
You need/want the last word, it's yours.
Toodles
whopis01
(3,523 posts)denem
(11,045 posts)whopis01
(3,523 posts)As you said, we got a ruling.
mercuryblues
(14,543 posts)that it is OK to use sexist slurs when he wants to and the ain't no womin gonna tell him different.
whopis01
(3,523 posts)demmiblue
(36,898 posts)obamanut2012
(26,142 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)The three dudes who run this site get it wrong sometimes.
Misogyny is horrible.
obamanut2012
(26,142 posts)chia
(2,244 posts)I'm a woman. I use bitch or bitchy to describe a nasty-tempered, mean, vindictive woman. I don't use it often, and generally don't use colorful language in any other than a private conversation (or to myself, as I did last night regarding a character in a series on Netflix). If women use it amongst themselves, is it sexist? Is it sexist if a woman uses "dick" to refer to the male equivalent? I'm genuinely curious.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Using sexist language is sexist.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Sympthsical
(9,121 posts)Huh. I never ever noticed that before. But you're right. That seems like a pretty male-exclusive term.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)That is a primary definition of the word is it not?
Sympthsical
(9,121 posts)But that use fell out of favor several decades ago. Now it's colloquially a pejorative along the lines of bitch. "She's a bitch." "He's a bastard."
I was born out of wedlock, and I don't think I've ever had someone actually use that word in the original context towards me.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)This is about women's lives. Do you know how many women are triggered by the word in the subject line of this OP? How many have had that word hurled at them while being abused, verbally, physically, sexually, emotionally? It is a word usually hurled with venom and hate toward the person being labeled. Nothing good comes from it.
Just sayin......
Sympthsical
(9,121 posts)At least not directed at an individual. I use "Son of a bitch . . ." as a version of god damnit when something goes wrong. I also use it as a synonym for complaining. "Eh, he's just bitching."
But I'd never call a woman that.
I don't think "bitch" is about "women's lives." That's really overstating it. Words are what they are. When I know it really bothers a group of people, I axe it from my vocabulary.
But this isn't exactly level one oppression, either. It's like #37 on the list, maybe. Maybe.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)That's sad.
I'm not overstating anything. Maybe you just haven't had those experiences.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,377 posts)eg 'Republican writer Danny Morrisons now famous quote has come to symbolise the sentiment of the time, describing Thatcher as:
the biggest bastard we have ever known' https://www.josharcher.uk/blog/why-margaret-thatcher-is-hated/
or
muriel_volestrangler
(101,377 posts)Link, please. Which DUer did you appoint as the judge?
MineralMan
(146,333 posts)I agree with your characterization of it.
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)It is the appropriate term for a female dog ... no other context ...
eom
obamanut2012
(26,142 posts)Clash City Rocker
(3,402 posts)denem
(11,045 posts)It is a term almost exclusively used about men.
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)Is your choice ...
The question that was posed regarded the term bitch
I responded...
Everyone has an asshole, some just show theirs more than others.
denem
(11,045 posts)My boss is a bitch / My boss is a asshole - both say something similar, and both are gender specific.
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)an asshole ...
denem
(11,045 posts)cu
Eliot
mercuryblues
(14,543 posts)Everyone, even women have them. It is not a slur based on gender. Calling a woman an asshole in no way implies she is acting like a male. It means she is acting like well, an asshole. Even calling a man an asshole, is not equating his behavior to a gendered slur. As I said both sexes have assholes.
niyad
(113,587 posts)Some use wizard.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)Worlock,wizard ,sorcerer are witchy counterparts for men.
Then there is a neutral gendered name,Magikan.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)that's thrown around freely here
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)hitting at Trump when the reality is trump is talking about sexual assault.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Trump Is The excuse for the using of the word...and feeling free to ignore the implications. As you say, isn't it fun.
meow2u3
(24,774 posts)Gender neutral slur. Enuf said.
An one can use the initials to save typing!
obamanut2012
(26,142 posts)Whiskeytide
(4,463 posts)... I used it frequently in past years. Most commonly as a synonym for complain, but sometimes as a female version of asshole. I began getting away from it when a friend I think a lot of told me it offended her.
But I think it has become a part of the pop culture to have a meaning only indirectly associated with its origin. It is used often in a non-sexist way, even if it has historically sexist roots.
I try to look at the context of the usage. As George Carlin said, words and just words. The bad thoughts and intentions behind the words matter most.
edhopper
(33,625 posts)you can't bitch about anything.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)I thought this thread was about Trump's press secretary... ...
mokawanis
(4,452 posts)and she says it all depends on context, like saying 'I put that lid on too tight and now it's a bitch to remove'. Who's going to tell her she can't use that word?
BannonsLiver
(16,470 posts)I feel like most of these OPs are actually started by men, to be honest.
Goodheart
(5,345 posts)LizBeth
(9,952 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)One genius even defended its using by insisting it's a "gender neutral term"
BannonsLiver
(16,470 posts)Right around 1980 or 81. She later stopped by to visit and check in on them. I was probably about 8. She had to be in her 70s.
She takes one look at them Ah, they are developing into very fine, very healthy bitches.
I looked up at my parents in horror. Then they had to explain it to me after she left. Fun memories.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)Someone called me on it.
I apologized because they were right it degrades women.
marie999
(3,334 posts)How did that word come to denote a negative for women?
demmiblue
(36,898 posts)Probably one of the last words an abused woman will hear before she is clocked out.
Ms. Toad
(34,102 posts)Literally, a bitch is a female dog.
I don't know that that is the ONLY connection - but it certainly is an obvious one.
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)What is really hypocritical is all the **** in words/names of dubious intent.
We all know what was meant. So in effect, the word(s) were said.
Saying something as an insult is one thing.
Saying something to increase the gravitas of a point being made, is another entirely. It may be that the original word is what is needed to convey the hate, the stupidity, the arrogance of the person, or comment being made.
As a gay, to me the word b***h is not gender specific. Nor is c**t. But sometimes those word are exactly perfect to describe the person in question. Hopefully, as adults, we can be able to ascertain the nuance with which it was said.
I again apologize for describing my 6th grade female classmate as the b word. I should have just used tattletale.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Usually not that of the person the word is being used against however.
obamanut2012
(26,142 posts)Regardless of the gender of the person attacked with them.
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)That's a word too.
I think the argument about the word 'bitch' is a lot like the arguments I've heard about using the 'n-word'.
I've heard more than a few white people argue that if it's wrong for them to say the 'n-word', then it shouldn't be ok for black people to say the 'n-word'. That reasoning is silly, because of...nuance.
The exact same word can have different meanings, depending on who the speaker is, and who the listener is.
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)who felt "uncomfortable" saying bitch or other words for women they don't like.
obamanut2012
(26,142 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)1. female dog, wolf, fox, or otter.
2.
INFORMAL
a difficult or unpleasant situation or thing.
"the stove is a bitch to fix"