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TlalocW

(15,387 posts)
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 11:34 AM Jul 2020

Someone with more legal acumen than myself, help me out re: Trump Taxes

So as I understand it, the SCOTUS ruling basically kicks the case back to SDNY (or allows it continue). Isn't that a federal court? I thought the whole play for blanket immunity was a hedge against if Trump did get pardoned that only applied to federal crimes, but the STATE of New York was building a case against him? What am I missing?

TlalocW

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Someone with more legal acumen than myself, help me out re: Trump Taxes (Original Post) TlalocW Jul 2020 OP
No, it goes back to the Manhattan DA's office. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2020 #1
Why am I seeing SDNY in all the stories? TlalocW Jul 2020 #2
SDNY's involvement had to do with whether the state court could issue the subpoena. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2020 #5
There are two cases. One of them was about legal action marybourg Jul 2020 #3
Mr. Trump asked a federal court to block the state court's subpoena DarthDem Jul 2020 #4
From the Syllabus Tom Traubert Jul 2020 #6
Ah - I have been edumakated TlalocW Jul 2020 #7
KNR Lucinda Jul 2020 #8
There are two cases and two rulings. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #9
There is good news in that they ruled he has no immunity...that he has Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #10

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,777 posts)
1. No, it goes back to the Manhattan DA's office.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 11:36 AM
Jul 2020

They are investigating Trump's businesses wrt NY state tax crimes. No pardon if he's found guilty of those.

TlalocW

(15,387 posts)
2. Why am I seeing SDNY in all the stories?
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 11:38 AM
Jul 2020

Is it just that the state court is IN the area covered by SDNY? Is the SDNY doing anything?

TlalocW

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,777 posts)
5. SDNY's involvement had to do with whether the state court could issue the subpoena.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 11:41 AM
Jul 2020

The underlying criminal matter is in the state court and is being prosecuted by the Manhattan DA, Cy Vance. That's why there can't be a pardon.

marybourg

(12,633 posts)
3. There are two cases. One of them was about legal action
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 11:38 AM
Jul 2020

being taken by Cyrus Vance, the Manhattan District Attorney. As I understand it.

DarthDem

(5,256 posts)
4. Mr. Trump asked a federal court to block the state court's subpoena
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 11:39 AM
Jul 2020

The federal court refused. The federal appeals court upheld the refusal. Per SCOTUS, the case now goes back to the original federal court for further proceedings. Although the State of New York issued the subpoena, the courts of the state have nothing to do with the matter at this stage. The issue is being litigated in federal court.

 

Tom Traubert

(117 posts)
6. From the Syllabus
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 11:47 AM
Jul 2020

Last edited Thu Jul 9, 2020, 12:54 PM - Edit history (1)

In 2019, the New York County District Attorney’s Office—acting on behalf of a grand jury—served a subpoena duces tecum on Mazars USA, LLP, the personal accounting firm of President Donald J. Trump, for financial records relating to the President and his businesses. The President, acting in his personal capacity, sued the district attorney and Mazars in Federal District Court to enjoin enforcement of the subpoena, arguing that a sitting President enjoys absolute immunity from state criminal process under Article II and the Supremacy Clause. The District Court dismissed the case under the abstention doctrine of Younger v. Harris, 401 U. S. 37, and, in the alternative, held that the President was not entitled to injunctive relief. The Second Circuit rej ected the District Court’s dismissal under Younger but agreed with the court’s denial of injunctive relief, concluding that presidential immunity did not bar enforcement of the subpoena and rejecting the ar- gument of the United States as amicus curiae that a state grand jury subpoena seeking the President’s documents must satisfy a height- ened showing of need. (Emphasis added).


In other words, this isn’t a State Court Prosecution. Rather, Trump moved in federal court to stop the NY District Attorney from subpoenaing his records based on his purported privilege/immunity as President. This presented a federal question and conferred subject matter jurisdiction on the SDNY.

If Vance later needs to enforce the subpoena, he would go to State Court. Likewise, any prosecution — and there will likely be one after Trump is out of Office — would be in State Court.

The decision is at https://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/19-635_o7jq.pdf

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
9. There are two cases and two rulings.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 12:12 PM
Jul 2020

Basically both weakened Trump then kicked him back to lower courts, one in NY and one Federal.

Demsrule86

(68,614 posts)
10. There is good news in that they ruled he has no immunity...that he has
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 12:14 PM
Jul 2020

the same rights we do...not super rights and that part was unanimous I believe...And that means Vance will get the documents...after Trump attempts to stop it using the same means you or I might. As for the Congressional court, it was also sent back to the lowers courts. Trump won nothing.

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