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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKeeping things tied up in the courts interminably...
...is how the orange con man continues to get away with EVERYTHING. Now that's what's happening again.
In January 2021 President Biden and his newly elected Democratic Senate and House need to pass legislation to keep any president from ever getting away with this again.
-- Ron
BigmanPigman
(51,632 posts)Roy Cohn probably taught him how to do this along with his psycho Daddy Fred.
Liberal In Texas
(13,580 posts)That and declaring bankruptcy to stiff creditors.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... makes them hurry the hell up.
Midnight Writer
(21,803 posts)We need a way to fast track these cases through the courts.
We could lose our Democracy while lawyers fritter.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,869 posts)All of that raises the question: what now? Judges should ensure that these cases move quickly back in the lower courts. The big question has now been answered by the nations highest court: There is no wholesale shield available to Trump. The questions left are comparative smaller ones. Indeed, in the Vance case, Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr.s majority opinion specifies exactly what those questions are, such as whether the particular subpoena issued by Vance is overly broad, issued in bad faith or in some subpoena-specific way unconstitutional; and its now a responsibility of the lower courts to hear arguments on them, then rule, swiftly. Even in the House cases, all thats left is for lower courts to apply a standard thats now been clearly articulated by the Supreme Court. The end result, the ruling seems to make clear, should be that the House gets at least some of the financial records its seeking.
The trial judge in the Vance case, Victor Marrero, has already proved he can move fast Trump filed his last complaint about Vances subpoena Sept. 19, 2019, and Marrero rejected it in an exhaustive opinion just three weeks later. Given the thinness of the remaining arguments, this round should move even more quickly. And in all of these cases, the Supreme Court would be within its traditional role to stay out going forward, which means there neednt be lengthy appeals all the way back to the justices: They have answered the hard questions, and now the lower courts should be left to fill in the easier gaps left. The grand jury process could also move very fast the information can be delivered to the grand jury with action on indictments very quickly, even in a matter of days or weeks, not months. In Watergate, the time from the break-in to the first grand jury indictment was just three months; in Iran-contra, it was four months from the U.S. Customs information being received to indictment; and in Enron, it was four months from bankruptcy to Arthur Andersens indictment. The federal courts resolved all of President Richard Nixons subpoena challenges within a few months, and they resolved the 2000 election within 36 days. The Vance case has already dragged on for years, but now, because of the Supreme Courts decision, it can and should move very fast. With a looming election, the need to move quickly rather than at Trumps preferred all deliberate speed is overwhelming. The American people shouldnt have to vote for someone who very well may be indicted and face criminal process right after the election....
And thats just about the election. Whatever the particular timing, Trumps bad day at the court Thursday is an omen of even worse days ahead for him personally. In New York, Vance and his team of state prosecutors have more arguments they must make in the lower courts to obtain Trumps financial records, but in the end, they should be getting the papers and their overall investigation is moving forward. In Washington, the House will need to describe to lower courts its justification for seeking Trumps records based on the courts newly articulated standard, but in the end at least some of the House committees will meet that standard for at least some of the records easily...
triron
(22,023 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,869 posts)That's how I learned of his op-ed, which WaPo just published.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)If Biden wins, and House and Senate are D, this matter will quickly be forgotten. Democrats know the Vance decision can allow Republican DAs to tie up Democratic presidents in knots by making one subpoena request after another.
Jeebo
(2,028 posts)...this kind of corruption is something I don't want ANY president to get away with, Republican or Democratic.
-- Ron
KPN
(15,662 posts)lot of the money ones do. It works.