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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe are in for a very rough six months, folks.
Donald Trump has to know that he is going down in flames on election day. He can't even fill a small venue with his brain-dead loyalists anymore- (see Portsmouth, NH rally cancellation).
He doesn't give damn about anyone or anything because of this, and he will spread wholesale carnage from now until inauguration day in January. In his twisted mind he has absolutely nothing to lose, so why not destroy as many thing as possible along the way.
The Roger Stone commutation is just the latest example, it is a totally in-your-face move and he doesn't even try to disguise it anymore. I fear that Dr. Fauci is next to go on the chopping block.
We are truly leaderless in a time of an unprecedented health crisis, and what he is doing is going to get much worse before he is done swinging his wrecking ball.
Skittles
(153,185 posts)Russia, and a lot of very stupid people
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)football fans, and women in all sectors.
More 'vicissitudes and chances various to come'
wnylib
(21,584 posts)request and send in mail ballots, or go to the polls?
KPN
(15,649 posts)be sufficiently woke to help us do something about it?
magicarpet
(14,164 posts)VINDICTIVE,...
RESENTFUL,...
Full of REVENGE.
If it can't be his and his alone he will burn it all down so nobody else can claim it.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Hopefully it will be just the 6 months you suggest, but nothing is for certain.
SKKY
(11,818 posts)But, we will get there friends. I feel more optimistic now more than ever.
ZZenith
(4,126 posts)Concise and apt. I love a good metaphor.
KPN
(15,649 posts)not let down our guard.
Tribetime
(4,701 posts)gristy
(10,667 posts)It has never been off the table.
DAMANgoldberg
(1,278 posts)for Republicans to do what they should have done last year? IMO it won't save the party from losing control, but it could limit some of the damage to the country. And they won't be blamed because they potentially have a Democratic cover of starting the process. At this point, Trump is useless to them in virtually every way, so why not throw him overboard.
Initech
(100,100 posts)If there ever was a time to use the 25th amendment and remove him from power, that time is now. Trump's plan to reopen schools would be an absolute clusterfuck of epic proportions and be a perfect storm for the virus. He must be removed now. Tomorrow may be too late.
wnylib
(21,584 posts)a Dem Senate and House wouuld make impeachment and conviction a breeze.
KPN
(15,649 posts)no good reason to think otherwise.
wnylib
(21,584 posts)than just one. He will try hard to guard Moscow Mitch, because he needs him. And his partners in crime will try to fix the test of the seats. I don"t doubt that. But they will be watched and there will be pushback and shouts of "foul play" when they try. It won't be easy for them.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Is it just me, or does anyone else find it hard to imagine Trump as a grandpa? Probably because he's such a poor-appearing father to his youngest who's still at home. Why would he even consider the problems involving sending the normal citizens' kids back to school during a pandemic? It wouldn't cause HIM (the only one to be considered) any inconvenience.
Traildogbob
(8,791 posts)But I would love for it to happen. If he does go down that way, he lossless his pension and we wont have to give another dime to him or his paid for Ho. The law states impeachment and removal voids his pension. Has he not stole enough of our taxes, an ass that never paid taxes?
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)He was impeached once and he is still in office. He would never be removed. It's too close to election day, anyway.
Better to have our party leaders spend the time and effort hammering him relentlessly before live cameras until election day. Follow the lead of the LincolnProject - they're getting the job done every day.
gristy
(10,667 posts)Here's their Prescription:
https://worldmhc.org/prescription-for-survival/
Initech
(100,100 posts)And I don't see it getting better before it's over.
shanti
(21,675 posts)That's 2020 for you.
2naSalit
(86,767 posts)Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)He has said he will act unilaterally to quell opposition with federal troops at the local level if he thinks local law enforcement is not tough enough.
And here is the example of what he means to do.
Take action unilaterally, without permission of governors, without notice to United States senators.
He just does it.
A casualty in Portland today.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)wnylib
(21,584 posts)call a national emergency and establish military rule.
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)Will they make the distinction between a valid presidential order, and one that goes too far, even for them...
I am hoping they are, right now, making arrangements to stop him before he does go too far.
wnylib
(21,584 posts)I don't think he wants full out civil war. More like some skirmishes, enough to give him an excuse to go the national emergency route in order to use the military to consolidate power and control.
Will they go along with it? Some of the rank and file will. Look at what happened in Portland. But also look at how the military brass reacted to his photo op stunt with the Bible in front of the church, when he had people gassed out of his path.
I expect the higher ranking military officers would oppose him, especially with the word out now about letting Putin put bounties on the lives of our military. Higher ranking officers look at the larger picture and what it means. Lower level officers and the rank and file are more likely to get caught up in partisanship and hatred of the people they are ordered to fire on.
But trump also has support from RW militias. Many people think they are just a bunch of overweight old guys who can't shoot straight. Not true, though. Many of the militia members are young ex military who are well trained. And they are very well armed.
I think he would prefer to use National Guard over militias because he can control the Guard through their chain of command, especially ones from red states. But if he feels really threatened, he would call on the militias, too.
PatSeg
(47,573 posts)him to wreak havoc anywhere and everywhere because he can. If he can''t win, he will burn everything down if no one stops him.
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)My new conspiracy theory... (some already pretty much documented, some tin foil hat theory)
He was bought and paid for decades ago, when he got his first big loan from Putin's mob backed financial oligarchs. Putin KNEW he had him, lock, stock and barrel, because American banks had already washed their hands of the entire turd klan. Putin then proceeded to get the kompromat on the turd (can we say pee tape?), and at the right time, whispered the suggestion/order to run for president.
I now suggest that the turd's sole purpose is, through elections won, or through a successful coup where our military does what he orders, to turn the USofA into a satellite state of Russia, the USofR.
If he is allowed to continue, he, and we, WILL be taking our orders from Putin. By default, we would be a satellite Russian state.
I DON'T think he will be successful, but I think that if he IS successful, he thinks that as "ruler" of the new USofR he would then, through following Putin's road map for power and riches, become just as rich and just as powerful as the Russian oligarchs, or even Putin himself.
His OTHER option, if this all fails, is to flee the country in his private jet, having milked/bilked the American tax payers of hundreds of millions of dollars. If he fails, Putin will be done with him, so the turd and his entire klan will go to Saudi Arabia. They have no extradition treaty, and the turd has already gone to bat for the murdering, dismembering Saudi prince. They owe the turd.
Or we can just arrest his ass for money laundering, put him and his entire klan in jail, take every penny of their assets, and have THE BIGGEST CELEBRATION EVER!!!
PatSeg
(47,573 posts)I agree that Putin won't want him when he loses. He will no longer be a useful idiot, just an idiot.
AdamGG
(1,294 posts)Biden can name Fauci as his COVID czar and announce that he will reinstate him on day one and it will be one more thing to damage Trump in the polls.
Xolodno
(6,398 posts)...if he loses.
He'll declare he was cheated, victimized, etc. and the corrupt courts won't go his way. And since he can't get anything done anyways, no point to staying.
His ego can't handle passing the mantle over to Biden.
Pence will take over, issue a blanket pardon...and wash his hands of all this and retire.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)He'll probably die fighting them.
But they will no doubt be financial crimes. He'll try to out last it....but if he can't, negotiate a fine....then declare bankruptcy.
leighbythesea2
(1,200 posts)Must "win" in their minds. Destroying outward fulfills the definition. Even if it destroys them in the process.(sometimes does, not always).
Even if it does take them down too, and it's obvious to everyone else, it won't stop them. Rough 6 months, you are right.
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,626 posts)than most other leaders could do in a lifetime.
hay rick
(7,636 posts)He has surely outlived his usefulness to those who have profited most from his corruption. They want more and he is now a liability
live love laugh
(13,124 posts)Trump and Republicans have a huge advantage despite our intentions and numbers. I dont know how to overcome the disadvantage. I am cautiously hoping for the best.
maryellen99
(3,789 posts)JMO but I think we are headed towards an Italian style lock down thatll mess with the election.