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Catch2.2

(629 posts)
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 01:23 PM Jul 2020

Whatever happened to the Russian Bounties on our soldiers??

You don't hear anything about it. I feel that was a huge missed opportunity by the Dems. There should've been a hearing or something. Instead, it has come and gone. I encourage you all to contact your local Rep, Senator, etc. and demand action!

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Whatever happened to the Russian Bounties on our soldiers?? (Original Post) Catch2.2 Jul 2020 OP
Didn't gain a lot of traction, probably because we aided Afghans Hoyt Jul 2020 #1
And if a Soviet leader had played dumb, downplayed it, denied it or simply Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2020 #3
Doubt that's why not. That was an illegal invasion and attempted takeover of the Country. mr_lebowski Jul 2020 #6
I don't see much difference. If you think the USA hasn't been encouraging military action against Hoyt Jul 2020 #20
There's a difference. Just because you side with the Russians says a lot rockfordfile Jul 2020 #25
Don't side with the Russians, but it's not like we are morally superior. Should have been out of Hoyt Jul 2020 #26
Terrible comparison... lame54 Jul 2020 #21
Agree with last sentence. Don't agree with sanctioning Russia because we've done as bad, maybe worse Hoyt Jul 2020 #23
The American public would never regard that as tit for tat Takket Jul 2020 #29
Yeah, a bunch of Americans gotta bomb someone to be happy. Hoyt Jul 2020 #30
Yeah, a bunch of Americans gotta bomb someone to be happy. Hoyt Jul 2020 #31
I know I'll get ragged on for this but ... par for the course with our intrepid heroes in DC mr_lebowski Jul 2020 #2
With any luck you will get dragged for that BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #5
I pay pretty close attention, so it's far from uninformed. mr_lebowski Jul 2020 #7
Tammy Duckworth could use some backup. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2020 #10
I would have to agree with you, as much as I don't want to cast blame on smirkymonkey Jul 2020 #11
Agree 100% Catch2.2 Jul 2020 #15
Mitch McConnell was the one that needed to be convinced. The public doesn't JI7 Jul 2020 #22
Didn't you hear? Dream Girl Jul 2020 #4
Putin said he didn't do it and tRump said he doesn't trust US intelligence. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2020 #8
This onethatcares Jul 2020 #16
There was a hearing EleanorR Jul 2020 #9
The media isn't interested in this Bettie Jul 2020 #12
Down the memory hole... orwell Jul 2020 #13
There were no receipts. PTWB Jul 2020 #14
I mentioned it several times last night to idiots on FB. I hope others are too Dem2 Jul 2020 #17
What missed opportunity by "the Dems?" it's being investigated..,. ehrnst Jul 2020 #18
I can't see the article Catch2.2 Jul 2020 #19
Again.... What missed opportunity? ehrnst Jul 2020 #28
trump is ignoring it just like the pandemic spanone Jul 2020 #24
Oh good lord. NurseJackie Jul 2020 #27
It's not a smear Catch2.2 Jul 2020 #33
Yes it is. NurseJackie Jul 2020 #36
All hail... Catch2.2 Jul 2020 #38
Yes. NurseJackie Jul 2020 #39
Please explain Catch2.2 Jul 2020 #40
You know perfectly well what I'm talking about. NurseJackie Jul 2020 #41
I do not Catch2.2 Jul 2020 #42
You know exactly what you're doing. I'm not going to play this game with you any longer. NurseJackie Jul 2020 #43
Ohhkay Catch2.2 Jul 2020 #44
Yes, it is a shame Catch2.2 Jul 2020 #34
It was covered by "the media" ... all sorts of media. NurseJackie Jul 2020 #37
Trump is playing along with Pay For Slay. Media needs to ask EVERY DAY what he plans to do lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #32
That was sooooo two weeks ago. HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #35
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. Didn't gain a lot of traction, probably because we aided Afghans
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 01:31 PM
Jul 2020

against Russians much the same.

trump should have responded to Russia, but it’s kind of tough to make an international crisis out of it.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,505 posts)
3. And if a Soviet leader had played dumb, downplayed it, denied it or simply
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 01:36 PM
Jul 2020

taken A U. S. president's word for it. They would've been long gone. Literally from one day to the next and never heard from again.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
6. Doubt that's why not. That was an illegal invasion and attempted takeover of the Country.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 01:41 PM
Jul 2020

What the US did was in response to 9/11 was ... not that.

Not to mention that was the friggin' 80's. Nobody (here) cares about that or considers it.

Just sayin'

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
20. I don't see much difference. If you think the USA hasn't been encouraging military action against
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 05:11 PM
Jul 2020

Russia, China, Iran, etc., you'd be mistaken. We even meddle in elections.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
26. Don't side with the Russians, but it's not like we are morally superior. Should have been out of
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 06:14 PM
Jul 2020

Afghanistan long ago.

lame54

(35,328 posts)
21. Terrible comparison...
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 05:23 PM
Jul 2020

If Gorbachev knew about it but ignored it
That would have been HIS scandal
And rightfully so

Knowing Russia is going to act in such ways is not the scandal

Being aware of it and hiding it is

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
23. Agree with last sentence. Don't agree with sanctioning Russia because we've done as bad, maybe worse
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 05:32 PM
Jul 2020

Takket

(21,641 posts)
29. The American public would never regard that as tit for tat
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 08:34 AM
Jul 2020

And I honestly doubt much of the public has any knowledge of what you are talking about.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
2. I know I'll get ragged on for this but ... par for the course with our intrepid heroes in DC
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 01:31 PM
Jul 2020

They stepped up on impeachment (though didn't do as much as they should've to convince the public the cause was righteous, IMHO), but generally ... they do a lot less shouting about the horribleness of Trump than they should, about ALL KINDS of issues.

MHO.

BannonsLiver

(16,506 posts)
5. With any luck you will get dragged for that
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 01:39 PM
Jul 2020

It’s a completely uninformed opinion. Alternate reality stuff.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
11. I would have to agree with you, as much as I don't want to cast blame on
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 01:44 PM
Jul 2020

Democrats. However, I am really disappointed by them. They are letting so much go by when they could really be getting some mileage out of this stuff.

Not only that, but the best anti-Trump commercials out there are all coming from former republicans. I have seen a few Biden commercials, but not many. Why are they so passive? It really frustrates me.

Catch2.2

(629 posts)
15. Agree 100%
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 02:14 PM
Jul 2020

I didn't post this thread to bash The Democratic party, but sometimes constructive criticism is necessary. If we fail to do or say anything for fear of offending the Dem party, then nothing will change. I am a life long Dem, I just want more action because I am concerned Trump will win if the Dems don't step it up. Rethugs are very good at campaigning/messaging (Just look at Benghazi). Even though it's all bullshit, they have the Senate, Presidency, two Supreme Court Judges. It's time the Dems tweak their tactics. The Russian Bounties might be a good start!

JI7

(89,279 posts)
22. Mitch McConnell was the one that needed to be convinced. The public doesn't
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 05:27 PM
Jul 2020

vote on impeachment and removal.

And McConnell only has top answer to people in Kentucky.

orwell

(7,776 posts)
13. Down the memory hole...
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 01:48 PM
Jul 2020

...what bounties?

“The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.”

George Orwell

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
14. There were no receipts.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 01:52 PM
Jul 2020

There have been countless claims against Trump that would have sunk any other politician. But Trump just dismisses then as fake news. If this claim was provable we would have seen the certain end of his presidency. But so far it is just one more accusation of treason amongst so many others.

We need multiple people who are inside the administration to publicly confirm that Trump had been briefed about the bounties, that the bounties resulted in the deaths of our soldiers, that Trump failed to respond and in fact continued his appeasement of Russia.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
17. I mentioned it several times last night to idiots on FB. I hope others are too
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 02:24 PM
Jul 2020

Also, there's still stories about it almost every day, though obviously there's a lot going on in the world.

Catch2.2

(629 posts)
19. I can't see the article
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 04:08 PM
Jul 2020

Since I don't have a subscription to the NYT. I am glad to see that there is at least some type of inquiry according to the title. What I mean by missed opportunity, is that no one is hearing about this, except for maybe the people on DU. For example, everyone knows about Benghazi, but ask the average person, they either don't know about the Russian Bounties or they have forgotten about it by now. I feel that the Dems need to not only take action (They are very good at governing), but they need to also focus on getting their message and actions out to the American people. The missed opportunity is not the action but the messaging to the people, or lack of messaging, about the action(s).

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
27. Oh good lord.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 06:15 PM
Jul 2020
You don't hear anything about it.
What a shame that nobody covered it.

I feel that was a huge missed opportunity by the Dems.
But a great opportunity to smear the Democrats by insinuating that we're a "do nothing" party that misses opportunities.

Please, stop it.

Catch2.2

(629 posts)
33. It's not a smear
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:49 PM
Jul 2020

I tried to explain that very clearly in my post. This is not an attack on the Dems, sorry if you took it that way. And no, I will not stop. When I feel a certain subject needs to be addressed by our leaders, I will speak up.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
36. Yes it is.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 03:13 PM
Jul 2020
It's not a smear
You know perfectly well that it's a smear.

This is not an attack on the Dems
Yes it is. Of course it is. This was covered extensively. It was in all the papers and all over TV and radio. There were hundreds of political cartoons and commentaries about it. Lots of editorials and a few commercials too.

I will not stop.
Then you're wasting your time. This is divisive. It serves no good purpose.

When I feel a certain subject needs to be addressed by our leaders, I will speak up.
Lucky us.

Catch2.2

(629 posts)
38. All hail...
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 12:19 PM
Jul 2020

the almighty Dem Party that can do no wrong! They never make any mistakes and should never be questioned! They are omnipotent and infallible! If anyone dare question them, they should be cast off to a secluded island! There, is that better?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
39. Yes.
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 12:28 PM
Jul 2020
There, is that better?
Yes.

They never make any mistakes and should never be questioned!
I always question the intent (and timing) of anyone who believe it's appropriate to denigrate the Democratic party with divisive rhetoric like that.... just before a national election. What good purpose does it serve?

All I'm trying to tell you is that the lies and smears and attacks and concern and poutrage and faux-outrage, etc... only serve to create an atmosphere of negativity: Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

Catch2.2

(629 posts)
40. Please explain
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 12:32 PM
Jul 2020

"the lies and smears and attacks and concern and poutrage and faux-outrage, etc.". Which lies, smears, and attacks are you talking about? And I am asking seriously (the tone of a post can sometimes be taken the wrong way).

And also, it is very dangerous to not be able to question or criticize a political party.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
41. You know perfectly well what I'm talking about.
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 12:46 PM
Jul 2020
Please explain
You know perfectly well what I'm talking about.

You don't hear anything about it. I feel that was a huge missed opportunity by the Dems. There should've been a hearing or something. Instead, it has come and gone. I encourage you all to contact your local Rep, Senator, etc. and demand action!


This is just a continuation of the tired and repetitive attacks: ie: the lazy and unmotivated "do-nothing Democrats" smear... the exact same one that Bernie Sanders* likes to toss around. (*who still hasn't ended his campaign, by the way)

This serves ZERO useful purpose. It's just more negativity that's being directed at the Democratic party, its leadership, and its candidates. I am beginning to feel like a broken-record, but I must point out again the reality that the approach that you and others and another certain "candidate" is taking only serve to create an atmosphere of negativity: Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

Catch2.2

(629 posts)
42. I do not
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 01:20 PM
Jul 2020

That's why I asked. Secondly, you are the one saying "lazy and unmotivated "do-nothing Democrats", not me. Please don't put words in my mouth. Thirdly, this has nothing to do with Bernie Sanders but I see you won't miss an opportunity to attack him. As far as this serves ZERO useful purpose, I would disagree. I would like to see more investigation into Russian bounties, it would be useful to see if it is true and it would be especially useful if it pressured Trump to take action against Putin. It would also be useful if more people realized that Trump has done nothing about the Russian bounties.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
43. You know exactly what you're doing. I'm not going to play this game with you any longer.
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 02:23 PM
Jul 2020
Secondly, you are the one saying "lazy and unmotivated "do-nothing Democrats", not me.
You know exactly what you're doing. I understand what the "code talk" is for backhanded smears and "concern". It's a very underhanded way to smear Democrats while still being able to feign innocence and declare "Who? Meeeee?" (The meaning is clear... please don't try to hide behind ambiguity.)

I would like to see more investigation into Russian bounties,
That's not what you said in the beginning. That may have been your motivation. That may have been your goal... but it was nothing but negativity against Democrats: "missed opportunities" ... "no action" ... woulda-shoulda-coulda.

Dude, seriously. Enough. I'm not going to play this game with you any longer. You'll have to play with yourself from this point forward. You can pretend to not understand all you want, but I've made my points. You get the last word. Enjoy.

Catch2.2

(629 posts)
34. Yes, it is a shame
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:51 PM
Jul 2020

That's my point. It needs to be covered. An investigation into it or a press conference or something would bring attention. As a result, maybe it would get more coverage by the media.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
35. That was sooooo two weeks ago.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:52 PM
Jul 2020

We've moved on.

Hey, did you know Hamilton is on Disney+ ???!!??!???!??!!!

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